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If we had a LEADER

BobOrme
BobOrme
Oct 16, 2013
3:32pm
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
OMG...Liberals do this every single time, even after a modest victory. You just set yourself up for major embarrassment down the road. James Carville declared just a few years ago that the Dems would have a stranglehold on government for the next 40 years and it only took a couple of years for that prediction to be proven wrong. Peter Beinart, who is about as liberal as they come, doesn't even consider the end of the government slimdown a Dem victory. Obama has put this country in so deep a hole already and Obamacare will accelerate the digging. I'm not sure what the Repubs thinking was on delaying it for a year. Full implementation is a huge win for them. People will be so pissed off at the Dems when this already shitty Obama economy tanks even more there is no telling how big the midterms landslide will be.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/14/why-the-shutdown-is-a-republican-victory.html

Wait and see how long it will take for the MSM, Congressional Democrats and Obama to blame the catastrophe this really is going to be on the Heritage Foundation, GWB, and "concessions made to Republicans".
forkushV
forkushV
Oct 16, 2013
7:18pm
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
OMG...Liberals do this every single time, even after a modest victory. You just set yourself up for major embarrassment down the road. James Carville declared just a few years ago that the Dems would have a stranglehold on government for the next 40 years and it only took a couple of years for that prediction to be proven wrong. Peter Beinart, who is about as liberal as they come, doesn't even consider the end of the government slimdown a Dem victory. Obama has put this country in so deep a hole already and Obamacare will accelerate the digging. I'm not sure what the Repubs thinking was on delaying it for a year. Full implementation is a huge win for them...
Winning! Dude, Charlie Sheen's got nothing on you.

rdwoodpecker
rdwoodpecker
Oct 16, 2013
10:00pm
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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
Full disclosure: I didn't read any of this. I am merely responding to the topic title, "If we had a LEADER"

We have a leader and he led. He held his ground against bullies and dimwits and those who carry water for the Koch Brothers and, once again, he won. And so did the country.

What did the Tea Party deliver? The White House. To Hillary.


Yep you should be so proud! We just signed away any constraints to spending what-so-ever! Explain to me how we stop this run away train of spending? We must have spending REFORMS and a complete tax overhaul. Do you have the ability to stop in at your bank every year and borrow money that you and your banker both know can never ever be repaid? I really doubt that you manage your accounts like that.
hoops2
hoops2
Oct 16, 2013
11:18pm
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
All that was accomplished is that we get to do it all over again in a few months...
Oh please, please, PLEASE! The closer to the 2014 midterm elections the better.

And while you're at it, could you please nominate Sarah Palin for something?


How long will the democrats continue to pretend the country isn't bankrupt?

franksynopsis
franksynopsis
Oct 16, 2013
11:19pm
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
Full disclosure: I didn't read any of this. I am merely responding to the topic title, "If we had a LEADER"

We have a leader and he led. He held his ground against bullies and dimwits and those who carry water for the Koch Brothers and, once again, he won. And so did the country.

What did the Tea Party deliver? The White House. To Hillary.


Yep you should be so proud! We just signed away any constraints to spending what-so-ever! Explain to me how we stop this run away train of spending? We must have spending REFORMS and a complete tax overhaul. Do you have the ability to stop in at your bank every year and borrow money that you and your banker both know can never ever be repaid? I really doubt that you manage your accounts like that.


Are we talking about the debt ceiling? If we just "signed away any constraints to spending what-so-ever," then so did Ronald Reagan. 17 times. But none of this clown show was about the debt ceiling or even funding the government. It was about dismantling Obamacare... and not because of real or perceived shortcomings (and there are both), but because of what it represents. (It was also about Ted Cruz making his bones as a serious presidential contender, but that may have backfired.) I just think the Democrats (a party to which I do not belong) get a victory lap on this one. If it had gone the other way, the bluster and sanctimony would have been deafening.
hoops2
hoops2
Oct 16, 2013
11:49pm
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Under obama

1) 5 year defict of $5 trillion and counting
2) largest deficts in the history of the world
3) $17 trillion in total debt
4) over $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities for ss and medicare; which means we have no idea where the
money is coming from
5) within 20 years 100% of taxes collected will go for interest, ss and medicare. There will not be any
money for any other govt functions.
6) no plan to handle items 4 & 5

forkushV
forkushV
Oct 17, 2013
12:50am
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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
Full disclosure: I didn't read any of this. I am merely responding to the topic title, "If we had a LEADER"

We have a leader and he led. He held his ground against bullies and dimwits and those who carry water for the Koch Brothers and, once again, he won. And so did the country.

What did the Tea Party deliver? The White House. To Hillary.


Yep you should be so proud! We just signed away any constraints to spending what-so-ever! Explain to me how we stop this run away train of spending?...
Run away train? Really?


malibber2
malibber2
Oct 17, 2013
1:08am
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SS has dedicated funding and only needs minor adjustments to keep it solvent so there is no need to worry about that. Medicare if you want to tackle this you need to grow the balls to go after medical costs so far nobody in either party has shown a willingness to do that.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Under obama

1) 5 year defict of $5 trillion and counting
2) largest deficts in the history of the world
3) $17 trillion in total debt
4) over $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities for ss and medicare; which means we have no idea where the
money is coming from
5) within 20 years 100% of taxes collected will go for interest, ss and medicare. There will not be any
money for any other govt functions.
6) no plan to handle items 4 & 5


hoops2
hoops2
Oct 17, 2013
2:23am
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"SS has dedicated funding and only needs minor adjustments to keep it solvent so there is no need to worry about that. Medicare if you want to tackle this you need to grow the balls to go after medical costs so far nobody in either party has shown a willingness to do that"

Correct that SS had dedicated funding as does medicare. However the projections are that the costs for running these programs will exceed revenues within 20 years & those deficits will grow & the only way to fund them will be thru general tax revenues or to slash benefits
pjstroh
pjstroh
Oct 17, 2013
3:45am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"SS has dedicated funding and only needs minor adjustments to keep it solvent so there is no need to worry about that. Medicare if you want to tackle this you need to grow the balls to go after medical costs so far nobody in either party has shown a willingness to do that"

Correct that SS had dedicated funding as does medicare. However the projections are that the costs for running these programs will exceed revenues within 20 years & those deficits will grow & the only way to fund them will be thru general tax revenues or to slash benefits


You're right Hoops. To make Medicare more solvent you can either slash benefits (see the Paul Ryan Budget)....or you can allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices (see life before the Bush Administration).

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