It Really Is a Catch 22

I remember when a manual laborer could earn a livable wage. In the 1970's while working as a Sears delivery man, yes we were called delivery "man" back then, I was making around $12.00 an hour. You could work on a construction site hauling blocks to the block masons and earn a decent living. You could do just about any kind of manual labor job and support your family.

In the 1970's you also could go to most universities and not be in debt the rest of your life.

Now it seems like most manual labor jobs hardly pay enough to support yourself, much less your family. This morning I heard a couple of block masons here in central Florida bragging that they were getting $12.00 an hour and being paid ride time.

So your next option is to get an education. That is great but then you wind up with so much debt you start out behind the eight ball.

I don't have a solution but it does seem like it takes a lot more effort to make a decent living in today's world.
The G.I. Bill is still a decent solution. Learn a skill, get job experience, be on your own. Once you finish your enlistment start using your benefits,for college.
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
I remember when a manual laborer could earn a livable wage. In the 1970's while working as a Sears delivery man, yes we were called delivery "man" back then, I was making around $12.00 an hour. You could work on a construction site hauling blocks to the block masons and earn a decent living. You could do just about any kind of manual labor job and support your family.

In the 1970's you also could go to most universities and not be in debt the rest of your life.

Now it seems like most manual labor jobs hardly pay enough to support yourself, much less your family. This morning I heard a couple of block masons here in central Florida bragging that they were getting $12.00 an hour and being paid ride time.

So your next option is to get an education. That is great but then you wind up with so much debt you start out behind the eight ball.

I don't have a solution but it does seem like it takes a lot more effort to make a decent living in today's world.


Back about 10 years ago I talked to one of the masons building our new warehouse. He stated the union pay was $29/hr. In 2014, one hardly sees any white or black folks doing any masonary work as 90%+ are hispanic and wages are much lower.





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Minimum wage in 1979 was $2.90/hr or roughly $5560/yr Gross wages

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Forky that made me curious. When I took my fire science classes in the mid 1980's I paid $15.00 a credit hour. That same community college is $104.00 a credit hour today.

USF where my wife graduated from is through the roof. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $400.00 in state $877.00 out of state.

Throw in books and everything else and you will go broke.
The supply of illegal manual labor coming from Mexico for decades has flooded that market. Since the laws of supply and demand are true, and the supply of labor is massive, this hold wages down. The same folks that vote Obama are the same folks that are getting hammered by his lack of immigration policy. I fully agree that we've experienced this problem for years, but it has accelerated under this president.
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The supply of illegal manual labor coming from Mexico for decades has flooded that market. Since the laws of supply and demand are true, and the supply of labor is massive, this hold wages down. The same folks that vote Obama are the same folks that are getting hammered by his lack of immigration policy. I fully agree that we've experienced this problem for years, but it has accelerated under this president.


I agree with you and the same people that vote republican hire those illegals to increase their bottom line.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The supply of illegal manual labor coming from Mexico for decades has flooded that market. Since the laws of supply and demand are true, and the supply of labor is massive, this hold wages down...
Yup, by teeny tiny amount.



No argument there. Companies, if given the choice between two people of equal quality, will always hire the cheaper. Politicians need to stop the flow of immigrants who come to America and compete with Americans for jobs. These jobs should be for folks who are legally in the United States.

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The supply of illegal manual labor coming from Mexico for decades has flooded that market. Since the laws of supply and demand are true, and the supply of labor is massive, this hold wages down. The same folks that vote Obama are the same folks that are getting hammered by his lack of immigration policy. I fully agree that we've experienced this problem for years, but it has accelerated under this president.


I agree with you and the same people that vote republican hire those illegals to increase their bottom line.


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