The Kitchen Sink appears to be a POL-free zone!!

The reality is about a year or so ago the FTC changed the rules that radically altered what you can and cannot do on a commercial website. In a nutshell you’re no longer allowed to shape opinion in a way that isn’t transparent. For example
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The revised Guides also add new examples to illustrate the long standing principle that “material connections” (sometimes payments or free products) between advertisers and endorsers – connections that consumers would not expect – must be disclosed.

If it is correct that Ken is being compensated in some way here all of his posts need to contain the disclaimer the FTC requires so the consumer can understand the bias in his posts.
You can also no longer farm opinion by creating fake profiles to pose as ordinary people and then pose questions designed in a way to benefit you commercial interests. Using your Face Book page as an example you would have to disclose an employee that post comments there as an employee. They couldn’t be presented as disinterested individuals with no dog in the hunt.
So while I agree with you to a certain extent the owners of the site still have to follow the rules as they are set by the FTC.


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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
The First Amendment is my personal favorite, but while performing the ignoble task of moderating a commercial Facebook page, I must occasionally remind participants that the forum is not a democracy, nor does it claim to be.

The moderators of this particular forum have explained that the issue is not political content ... the issue is the inability of human adults to conduct themselves with any degree of civility when reacting to political content. If we could play well with others, we could probably discuss anything on these pages. But we can't. For some reason, this point remains elusive.

Non-participation is a another tenet of freedom.


I applaud this decision. I can do without the constant bickering about content that had nothing to do with the original premise of this website.
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Originally posted by: Kumquat
The reality is about a year or so ago the FTC changed the rules that radically altered what you can and cannot do on a commercial website. In a nutshell you’re no longer allowed to shape opinion in a way that isn’t transparent. For example
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The revised Guides also add new examples to illustrate the long standing principle that “material connections” (sometimes payments or free products) between advertisers and endorsers – connections that consumers would not expect – must be disclosed.

If it is correct that Ken is being compensated in some way here all of his posts need to contain the disclaimer the FTC requires so the consumer can understand the bias in his posts.
You can also no longer farm opinion by crating fake profiles to pose as ordinary people and then pose questions designed in a way to benefit you commercial interests. Using your Face Book page as an example you would have to disclose an employee that post comments there as an employee. They couldn’t be presented as disinterested individuals with no dog in the hunt.
So while agree with you to a certain extent the owners of the site still have to follow the rules as they are set by the FTC.


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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
The First Amendment is my personal favorite, but while performing the ignoble task of moderating a commercial Facebook page, I must occasionally remind participants that the forum is not a democracy, nor does it claim to be.

The moderators of this particular forum have explained that the issue is not political content ... the issue is the inability of human adults to conduct themselves with any degree of civility when reacting to political content. If we could play well with others, we could probably discuss anything on these pages. But we can't. For some reason, this point remains elusive.

Non-participation is a another tenet of freedom.



Ridiculous.
And I don’t think the issue is ridiculous as franksynopsis brought up the point of simply making a decision not to participate. The very point of these rules are so that the consumer can make an informed decision as to what type of commercial activities they want to participate in or not participate in. If an employee is out there cheerleading pretending like he is just a regular Joe it confuses the consumer.


Anyway I would encourage Mr. Snidely or anyone else to read up on the matter if they are so inclined.
https://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm
https://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/10/091005revisedendorsementguides.pdf


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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Kumquat
The reality is about a year or so ago the FTC changed the rules that radically altered what you can and cannot do on a commercial website. In a nutshell you’re no longer allowed to shape opinion in a way that isn’t transparent. For example
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The revised Guides also add new examples to illustrate the long standing principle that “material connections” (sometimes payments or free products) between advertisers and endorsers – connections that consumers would not expect – must be disclosed.

If it is correct that Ken is being compensated in some way here all of his posts need to contain the disclaimer the FTC requires so the consumer can understand the bias in his posts.
You can also no longer farm opinion by crating fake profiles to pose as ordinary people and then pose questions designed in a way to benefit you commercial interests. Using your Face Book page as an example you would have to disclose an employee that post comments there as an employee. They couldn’t be presented as disinterested individuals with no dog in the hunt.
So while agree with you to a certain extent the owners of the site still have to follow the rules as they are set by the FTC.


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Originally posted by: franksynopsis
The First Amendment is my personal favorite, but while performing the ignoble task of moderating a commercial Facebook page, I must occasionally remind participants that the forum is not a democracy, nor does it claim to be.

The moderators of this particular forum have explained that the issue is not political content ... the issue is the inability of human adults to conduct themselves with any degree of civility when reacting to political content. If we could play well with others, we could probably discuss anything on these pages. But we can't. For some reason, this point remains elusive.

Non-participation is a another tenet of freedom.



Ridiculous.



If you think there is some sort of illegal action you should contact the proper authorities and ask for a refund of your membership.
The FTC says that areas of a website that are billed as consumer discussions and or consumer opinions really have to be consumer discussions and or consumer opinions I don’t know what is so hard to understand about that. You appear to be a reasonably intelligent person read the rules for yourself and draw your own conclusion. I am not contacting anyone - just trying to save the site owner's here a lot of heartache.



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Originally posted by: snidely333
If you think there is some sort of illegal action you should contact the proper authorities and ask for a refund of your membership.


I am always bemused whenever a change is made that someone always gets upset and threatens some form of legal action. Find a lawyer and they will change the law to suit you.
No legal action was threatened by me. Ken (if what was said here is true) has some sort of financial interest in what goes on here. I was just merely pointing out he should disclose those interests. Especially so when he puts his cheer girl skirt on and picks up his pom poms.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I am always bemused whenever a change is made that someone always gets upset and threatens some form of legal action. Find a lawyer and they will change the law to suit you.


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Originally posted by: Kumquat
No legal action was threatened by me. Ken (if what was said here is true) has some sort of financial interest in what goes on here. I was just merely pointing out he should disclose those interests. Especially so when he puts his cheer girl skirt on and picks up his palm palms.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I am always bemused whenever a change is made that someone always gets upset and threatens some form of legal action. Find a lawyer and they will change the law to suit you.



How about these palm palm girls:

I am guessing Ken doesn’t look that good in his cheer girl outfit.

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Originally posted by: loydthelover
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Originally posted by: Kumquat
No legal action was threatened by me. Ken (if what was said here is true) has some sort of financial interest in what goes on here. I was just merely pointing out he should disclose those interests. Especially so when he puts his cheer girl skirt on and picks up his palm palms.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I am always bemused whenever a change is made that someone always gets upset and threatens some form of legal action. Find a lawyer and they will change the law to suit you.



How about these palm palm girls:




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