Vegas Free-for-All - Lets Have a Baseball Debate

herbrawt

Jul 29, 2013
8:42am

1. A rookie, for record-keeping purposes, is a player who has amassed fewer than 130 at bats (or for pitchers, 50 innings).
2. Ichiro Suzuki won the rookie of the year award in 2001.

The 1278 hits he amassed in the NBP apparently did not count in 2001. I don't see why they would count now.

Dan Svatass

Jul 29, 2013
9:05am

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Originally posted by: herbrawt
The 1278 hits he amassed in the NBP apparently did not count in 2001. I don't see why they would count now.

They "count", at least to the New York Yankees, because the Yanks have a lot of expensive empty seats to sell and few prospects to market, perhaps just a 1 in 9 chance of making the postseason.

Gotta sell something.

BAGIANT

Jul 29, 2013
2:39pm

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Speaking of Ichiro, I have a letter that was written by a translator in San Diego, thanking his Japanese team for allowing him to go to the Mariners. Naturally it's written in Japanese. I picked it up[ at the translators house in Del Mar, and when he told me what it was, I quickly made a copy of same thinking it might be worth money someday. I still have the letter.

alexlifeson

Jul 29, 2013
5:26pm

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Originally posted by: snidely333

Aaron and Maris are still the home run record holders to me.

I agree that Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire shouldn't count but I would like to slightly modify this statement to:

Aaron - all time homers
Maris - record for 162 game season
Ruth - record for 154 game season

nemesis

Jul 29, 2013
8:47pm

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If you are going to separate the single season record by 162 games and 154 games then you should do the same for all time homers. Ruth hit his 714 in a hell of a lot less at bats than Aaron did his 715 plus homers.

In a side note. Can you imagine how many homers Ruth would have hit present day against the shoddy pitching, small ball parks and juiced up baseballs? I think it would easily top 1000 in the same amount of time. Christ, you drop a ball on concrete and it nearly bounces back up to your hand. Try that with one from his era. I won't even mention the bat differences. He'd be a monster!

I don't know if the beer & hot dogs are better or not.

pjstroh

Jul 29, 2013
11:09pm

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Originally posted by: nemesis
If you are going to separate the single season record by 162 games and 154 games then you should do the same for all time homers. Ruth hit his 714 in a hell of a lot less at bats than Aaron did his 715 plus homers.

In a side note. Can you imagine how many homers Ruth would have hit present day against the shoddy pitching, small ball parks and juiced up baseballs? I think it would easily top 1000 in the same amount of time. Christ, you drop a ball on concrete and it nearly bounces back up to your hand. Try that with one from his era. I won't even mention the bat differences. He'd be a monster!

I don't know if the beer & hot dogs are better or not.

I think there are plenty of variables that go the other way too. Not many pitchers could throw 97 mph pitches in Ruth's day....and those heavy balls he hit were also alot harder to pitch into a curve.

It'd be fun to watch though.

hoops2

Jul 29, 2013
11:19pm

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Originally posted by: Blade
Also on Sunday afternoon...

Wha caused this?

Ric

Jul 30, 2013
12:50am

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Obviously, Ichiro's hit total was referenced only as a career mark for him. There's no way it counts toward MLB marks. There was always a lot of talk here in Seattle about his COMBINED numbers, not toward MLB numbers.

As to the level of BB played in Japan, those in the know, those who are actually involved in the game, will tell you that it's actually between AAA and the majors. Otherwise I don't think you would have seen Ichiro accomplish what he did in his first 8-9 seasons.

Good Luck!
Ric at Joes

hoops2

Jul 30, 2013
2:14am

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I disagree. With the exception of Ichiro, the Japanese players that have come to the US have performed at a shadow of what they accomplised in Japan

Matsui was one of the better players & his best year in the US was 31 homers; a number he exceeded 6 times in Japan with a high of 50. His Japanese careeer average was over 300, while in the US it is under 280

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