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pjstroh

Sep 3, 2014
5:21am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, the school aged kids that I know in Texas take more than one class per semester. A good student would make far more than $40.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Oooooo..a bi-annual bonus of $40. Thats almost as good as raising minimum wage to its historical norms.

I'm not knocking their program. Its certainly better than the one they offered last Christmas - something about saving money by eating less food...or returning your Christmas gifts for cash.

Boilerman

Sep 3, 2014
5:22am

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I grew up in an upper middle class Chicago suburb. Unlike today, most kids were expected either play school sports, play in the band, or to work about 20 hours a week. We all did fine in school because our parents cared and our parents expected results. There were no viable excuses were I lived.

Malibber writes that it's "hard". I believe that Malibber believes and implies that hard work is "unfair". These "hard" lessens taught a bunch of kids to arrive work on time, to provide strong effort, and it taught us the importance of an education.

In my book, hard work does not equal unfair work.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
It is going to be hard to make those As if your working a minimum of 20 hours per-week during the school year.

Of course it could be worse Wal-Mart just implemented a new dress code for their minimum wage employees. Some corporate big wig decided khakis are no longer appropriate for Wal-Mart employees and have mandated that employees now wear only black or dark pants to work as they fit in better with Wal-Mart's new color scheme. Talk about clueless.

pjstroh

Sep 3, 2014
5:34am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I grew up in an upper middle class Chicago suburb. Unlike today, most kids were expected either play school sports, play in the band, or to work about 20 hours a week. We all did fine in school because our parents cared and our parents expected results. There were no viable excuses were I lived.

Malibber writes that it's "hard". I believe that Malibber believes and implies that hard work is "unfair". These "hard" lessens taught a bunch of kids to arrive work on time, to provide strong effort, and it taught us the importance of an education.

In my book, hard work does not equal unfair work.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
It is going to be hard to make those As if your working a minimum of 20 hours per-week during the school year.

Of course it could be worse Wal-Mart just implemented a new dress code for their minimum wage employees. Some corporate big wig decided khakis are no longer appropriate for Wal-Mart employees and have mandated that employees now wear only black or dark pants to work as they fit in better with Wal-Mart's new color scheme. Talk about clueless.

I worked part time in high school too (a catering service with nowhere near the automated efficiency of a McDonalds). My wage adjusted for inflation would be over $9/hour today...plus free food after catering events. I could woof down $20 in rotessierie chicken no problem. And I didn't even have to get good grades. It would be a hard sell to get me to work for today's minimum wage anywhere.

drmilled

Sep 3, 2014
6:02am

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Minimum wages are not meant to be wages that will allow one to support a family. As with most jobs, if you don't like the amount of pay offered, then don't take the job. There are plenty of people who have no problem working for minimum wage- they know they are not QUALIFIED for higher pay because they do not have the skills that higher paying jobs require.

Boilerman

Sep 3, 2014
7:53am

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PJ, during the school year my kids either played sports or worked from the age 15. They are now young adults and the oldest (23) earns about $30 per hour (if his salary and commission where broken down by the hour), and my youngest (20) earns about $25 per hour. Neither boy has done anything exceptional to get to this point, other than arrive work on time and show initiative (one graduated college). Those who are 30 years old and working at McDonald's have done neither and that's sad.

My kids understood some time ago that they were not allowed to live at my house indefinitely. They were expected to get out in the World and figure out how to make a "liveable wage", whatever that is. Those who don't expect this from their children are doing their kids a disservice. Coddling does not equal love. My kids are great, but not exceptional. They will, however, make their way in life not rely on our government for free stuff.

Both of my kids were at my house last night for spaghetti and homemade meat balls. My oldest and I made the meatballs together. Kids need expectations.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I grew up in an upper middle class Chicago suburb. Unlike today, most kids were expected either play school sports, play in the band, or to work about 20 hours a week. We all did fine in school because our parents cared and our parents expected results. There were no viable excuses were I lived.

Malibber writes that it's "hard". I believe that Malibber believes and implies that hard work is "unfair". These "hard" lessens taught a bunch of kids to arrive work on time, to provide strong effort, and it taught us the importance of an education.

In my book, hard work does not equal unfair work.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
It is going to be hard to make those As if your working a minimum of 20 hours per-week during the school year.

Of course it could be worse Wal-Mart just implemented a new dress code for their minimum wage employees. Some corporate big wig decided khakis are no longer appropriate for Wal-Mart employees and have mandated that employees now wear only black or dark pants to work as they fit in better with Wal-Mart's new color scheme. Talk about clueless.

jatki

Sep 3, 2014
3:59pm

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I applaud boiler and his kids, it sounds like you did a good job of raising them( I am curious how a 20 yr old w/o a degree makes 25 an hour, but that's neither here nor there) and we're trying to do the same with our son.

Something really interesting happened on our way home from visiting family in WVa this past weekend. We stopped at a Burger king in Romney wva for a bathroom break and a drink and my wife came out saying she had ran into someone she went to high school with, I assumed she meant while waiting in line. No. Turns out she was working there and it reminded me of this thread. My wife had moved away, went to school, went to school, married me(for better or worse), and gone on to rise in the ranks and has been very successful. It's such a night and day comparison.

Back to the OP, I already mentioned it, but I think it's a fantastic idea for grade bonuses, maybe not so much for the money but perhaps it will instill a measure of confidence, a little more pride in oneself for achieving something. Much more than grinding away, flipping burgers ,paycheck to paycheck, week in week out. More power to the workers who go for the grades and maybe they'll go on and try to achieve more than just the good grade bonuses.

rdwoodpecker

Sep 3, 2014
9:43pm

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As the ole saying goes "the world needs ditch diggers too"
not every kid is cut out, nor can afford a higher education.

At least McD's is giving some sort of "bonus" for a little effort on their student workers

albeadle33

Sep 3, 2014
10:51pm

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Anyone who wants to work any job to make their own living and continually do better along the way, is a respectable success in my book. These are the people who will always be able to make it through the disappointing and tough times, without the want or need for Government handouts or to listen to demotivating, lie-laden lectures by community organizers.

forkushV

Sep 4, 2014
1:10am

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Oh I get it Boilerman. You lifted yourself up by your own bootstraps by playing ball after school! And as a mere 16-year-old, I bet when you added gas to your mommy-and-daddy supplied car, you used the self-service pump!

Kids today are so spoiled.