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My 20 year old, since the age of 16 or 17, has been operating bulldozers and other equipment. He has also learned to drywall, do tile work, lay hardwood floors, lay sewer lines and septic fields, pour concrete driveways and garages, blah blah blah. The machinery that he first operated was not large enough to be considered "heavy equipment".

He changed jobs in February, and came highly recommended from his previous employer who couldn’t give him enough hours. When he began his this new job, they knew that he had experience with equipment, but they already had operators. He did mostly grunt work, but he arrived to work on time and worked hard. Occasionally, when I guy was sick or on vacation, he got an opportunity to operate the heavy machinery and did well. As time moved on, he gets more and more time on this equipment.

More often than not, he still does manual labor, but each month he gets more jobs as an operator. His pay breaks down like this. Non-prevailing wage grunt job, $16 per hour. Prevailing wage grunt job, $34 per hour. Non-prevailing wage equipment operator job, $30 per hour. Prevailing wage operator job, $53 per hour. He's trending quickly towards the higher paying jobs. I’m guessing that over the last month, his average pay has been $30 per hour. He works hard and is being rewarded with more "prevailing wage" jobs and more equipment operator jobs. His company does not give him insurance, but he does have medical insurance through me. The managers at this company do receive medical insurance.

I've suggested that he do a couple of things within the next year. He should get his CDL, which will be easy since he’s driven large trucks on farms. They also work with various chemicals which require a license to handle, and I've suggest that he become licensed. Maybe the company will pay for some of this, and maybe not, but he becomes more valuable once he gains these skills. He becomes more valuable to his current employer and, even more importantly, he becomes more valuable to potential new employers. He is proving an eagerness to work hard and learn.

Again, he has done nothing that takes exceptional talent, but it does require an eagerness to grow, learn, and work hard. I’m quite proud of my boy.



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Originally posted by: jatki99
I applaud boiler and his kids, it sounds like you did a good job of raising them( I am curious how a 20 yr old w/o a degree makes 25 an hour, but that's neither here nor there) and we're trying to do the same with our son.

Something really interesting happened on our way home from visiting family in WVa this past weekend. We stopped at a Burger king in Romney wva for a bathroom break and a drink and my wife came out saying she had ran into someone she went to high school with, I assumed she meant while waiting in line. No. Turns out she was working there and it reminded me of this thread. My wife had moved away, went to school, went to school, married me(for better or worse), and gone on to rise in the ranks and has been very successful. It's such a night and day comparison.

Back to the OP, I already mentioned it, but I think it's a fantastic idea for grade bonuses, maybe not so much for the money but perhaps it will instill a measure of confidence, a little more pride in oneself for achieving something. Much more than grinding away, flipping burgers ,paycheck to paycheck, week in week out. More power to the workers who go for the grades and maybe they'll go on and try to achieve more than just the good grade bonuses.


My son has dug ditches.

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Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker
As the ole saying goes "the world needs ditch diggers too"
not every kid is cut out, nor can afford a higher education.

At least McD's is giving some sort of "bonus" for a little effort on their student workers


Forkie, I didn't have a car until I was a sophomore in college when my dad bought me a used Toyota Corolla. I'm guessing in today's dollars that it cost about 750 bucks. My dad taught me how to drive a stick shift, change the oil, and to do tune-ups. When I graduated from Boiler Land, my new job came with a company car (a Malibu Classic), and I sold the Toyota for $50.

Oh, while in high school and college I had a summer job working a minimum 55 hours per week in a sheet metal factory. We made the phone booths that one still occasionally sees in airports. I did nothing exceptional, but I did arrive work on time and I worked hard. I was rewarded every summer (and some Christmas breaks), with a regular job. I did that job for five straight summers.

During those summer years, my dad allowed me to keep 18% of my take home on the first 50 hours, and 50% on anything past 50 hours. This money he kept went towards college expenses. I also took out $7500 in loans, which covered about 3 semesters. I paid about 70% of my tuition, room, and board, and my folks payed the balance. It would have been a pain in the ass, but I could have worked 20 hours a week during school, and paid for all of my expenses. My parents didn't want that. Nor did I.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I grew up in an upper middle class Chicago suburb. Unlike today, most kids were expected either play school sports, play in the band, or to work about 20 hours a week...
Oh I get it Boilerman. You lifted yourself up by your own bootstraps by playing ball after school! And as a mere 16-year-old, I bet when you added gas to your mommy-and-daddy supplied car, you used the self-service pump!

Kids today are so spoiled.


Boilerman and DonDiego are practically twins.

i. Poor young DonDiego didn't have a car until he'd been out of college a year and working full-time, . . . and then he was drafted. He paid $2500 for a brand-new Plymouth Duster - "Butterscotch Tan", which was more nearly "Baby Shit Yellow". He drove it for 14 years and got $800 for it when he traded it in on a used Dodge Lancer.

ii. From the age of 15 until he went off to college young DonDiego held a year-round part-time job in a local pharmacy/sundries store, . . . pr'bly averaging 16 or 18 hours a week.

iii. For three Summers between matriculation at college poor Laborer DonDiego worked full-time, and overtime when he could get it, in the blast furnaces of the Bethlehem Steel Company. Subsequent to his departure the Company went bankrupt and the entire plant was leveled 'cept for a few buildings and the blast furnaces, which the City of Bethlehem intended to use as a centerpiece for a US Industrial Museum/Park. That never materialized, but the Sands Casino, Bethlehem now occupies a portion of the property.

iv. DonDiego's parents covered about 1/3 of his college costs; DonDiego covered another 1/3, and loans for the final 1/3 were paid off by working man DonDiego over 7 years.

Life is good.

Forkush does not want to hear about anyone who worked their way up the ladder and EARNED their money. He would rather "stir the pot" with his arrogant rhetoric. I have yet to read anything he has posted that had any worthwhile value. I doubt that he has ever "earned" anything other than the disdain he has garnered. If at any time in the future he should post something of real value, somebody please send me a message. I won't hold my breath.
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
My 20 year old, since the age of 16 or 17, has been operating bulldozers and other equipment. He has also learned to drywall, do tile work, lay hardwood floors, lay sewer lines and septic fields, pour concrete driveways and garages, blah blah blah. The machinery that he first operated was not large enough to be considered "heavy equipment".

He changed jobs in February, and came highly recommended from his previous employer who couldn’t give him enough hours. When he began his this new job, they knew that he had experience with equipment, but they already had operators. He did mostly grunt work, but he arrived to work on time and worked hard. Occasionally, when I guy was sick or on vacation, he got an opportunity to operate the heavy machinery and did well. As time moved on, he gets more and more time on this equipment.

More often than not, he still does manual labor, but each month he gets more jobs as an operator. His pay breaks down like this. Non-prevailing wage grunt job, $16 per hour. Prevailing wage grunt job, $34 per hour. Non-prevailing wage equipment operator job, $30 per hour. Prevailing wage operator job, $53 per hour. He's trending quickly towards the higher paying jobs. I’m guessing that over the last month, his average pay has been $30 per hour. He works hard and is being rewarded with more "prevailing wage" jobs and more equipment operator jobs. His company does not give him insurance, but he does have medical insurance through me. The managers at this company do receive medical insurance.

I've suggested that he do a couple of things within the next year. He should get his CDL, which will be easy since he’s driven large trucks on farms. They also work with various chemicals which require a license to handle, and I've suggest that he become licensed. Maybe the company will pay for some of this, and maybe not, but he becomes more valuable once he gains these skills. He becomes more valuable to his current employer and, even more importantly, he becomes more valuable to potential new employers. He is proving an eagerness to work hard and learn.

Again, he has done nothing that takes exceptional talent, but it does require an eagerness to grow, learn, and work hard. I’m quite proud of my boy.



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Originally posted by: jatki99
I applaud boiler and his kids, it sounds like you did a good job of raising them( I am curious how a 20 yr old w/o a degree makes 25 an hour, but that's neither here nor there) and we're trying to do the same with our son.

Something really interesting happened on our way home from visiting family in WVa this past weekend. We stopped at a Burger king in Romney wva for a bathroom break and a drink and my wife came out saying she had ran into someone she went to high school with, I assumed she meant while waiting in line. No. Turns out she was working there and it reminded me of this thread. My wife had moved away, went to school, went to school, married me(for better or worse), and gone on to rise in the ranks and has been very successful. It's such a night and day comparison.

Back to the OP, I already mentioned it, but I think it's a fantastic idea for grade bonuses, maybe not so much for the money but perhaps it will instill a measure of confidence, a little more pride in oneself for achieving something. Much more than grinding away, flipping burgers ,paycheck to paycheck, week in week out. More power to the workers who go for the grades and maybe they'll go on and try to achieve more than just the good grade bonuses.



Aah, yep I see now. I started running heavy equipment when I was young as well, started on a D9 when I was 15 and running a 50 ton payhauler by the time I was 16. I spent plenty of time on a shovel, pulling 6" water hose, loading shots(blasting) and popping coal and evry other grunt work that was needed. This continued on through summers until I graduated college where I got my first job as a...wait for it...selling rainbow vacuum cleaners! That lasted until my gal finished her last semester, got married and we moved to Va. That was 24 yrs ago.

Does DonDiego continue to struggle with guilt after his abrupt departure caused Bethlehem's bankruptcy and closure?


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Boilerman and DonDiego are practically twins.

i. Poor young DonDiego didn't have a car until he'd been out of college a year and working full-time, . . . and then he was drafted. He paid $2500 for a brand-new Plymouth Duster - "Butterscotch Tan", which was more nearly "Baby Shit Yellow". He drove it for 14 years and got $800 for it when he traded it in on a used Dodge Lancer.

ii. From the age of 15 until he went off to college young DonDiego held a year-round part-time job in a local pharmacy/sundries store, . . . pr'bly averaging 16 or 18 hours a week.

iii. For three Summers between matriculation at college poor Laborer DonDiego worked full-time, and overtime when he could get it, in the blast furnaces of the Bethlehem Steel Company. Subsequent to his departure the Company went bankrupt and the entire plant was leveled 'cept for a few buildings and the blast furnaces, which the City of Bethlehem intended to use as a centerpiece for a US Industrial Museum/Park. That never materialized, but the Sands Casino, Bethlehem now occupies a portion of the property.

iv. DonDiego's parents covered about 1/3 of his college costs; DonDiego covered another 1/3, and loans for the final 1/3 were paid off by working man DonDiego over 7 years.

Life is good.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Does DonDiego continue to struggle with guilt after his abrupt departure caused Bethlehem's bankruptcy and closure?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Boilerman and DonDiego are practically twins.

i. Poor young DonDiego didn't have a car until he'd been out of college a year and working full-time, . . . and then he was drafted. He paid $2500 for a brand-new Plymouth Duster - "Butterscotch Tan", which was more nearly "Baby Shit Yellow". He drove it for 14 years and got $800 for it when he traded it in on a used Dodge Lancer.

ii. From the age of 15 until he went off to college young DonDiego held a year-round part-time job in a local pharmacy/sundries store, . . . pr'bly averaging 16 or 18 hours a week.

iii. For three Summers between matriculation at college poor Laborer DonDiego worked full-time, and overtime when he could get it, in the blast furnaces of the Bethlehem Steel Company. Subsequent to his departure the Company went bankrupt and the entire plant was leveled 'cept for a few buildings and the blast furnaces, which the City of Bethlehem intended to use as a centerpiece for a US Industrial Museum/Park. That never materialized, but the Sands Casino, Bethlehem now occupies a portion of the property.

iv. DonDiego's parents covered about 1/3 of his college costs; DonDiego covered another 1/3, and loans for the final 1/3 were paid off by working man DonDiego over 7 years.

Life is good.

No longer.

DonDiego did take notice that the bankruptcy of Bethlehem Steel followed his departure, . . . but his guilt had already been assuaged. After he joined the US Navy he was assigned to Norfolk, Virginia. And in the ensuing 3 years stationed along the Chesapeake Bay not a single Vietcong made it past the Bay Bridge Tunnel.

Things in Life balance out.
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