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jillyf
jillyf
Feb 21, 2014
11:05am
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Oh gee. What's next? An apology for adopting young girls and taking them overseas, to get around the stat. rape laws? But at least he's not a communist.

Let's see if Paul tears Nugent a new one, the same way he did with Clinton.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 21, 2014
10:52pm
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Jilly, you do however desire that police ignore certain facts. I believe that all facts should be taken into account by police, and that ignoring facts is downright stupid.........yet very PC.

Several Liberals on this site call me a racist, yet I likely have more black friends than they. Forkie makes the argument that being friends with lots of blacks doesn't prove one is not racist. I find that position ludicrous.


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Originally posted by: jillyf
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Originally posted by: Boilerman If cops know that 50% of blacks who enter a particular neighborhood rob, the cops are supposed to ignore this fact.
My God, how on earth would they possibly know this? Do you think they count every "black" person (not to be confused with the dark brown)?

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Originally posted by: Boilerman If 10% of the class is black and they’re committing 50% of the shootings at the school, it's ignorant to ignore these facts.
No, what's ignorant is to presume you know which 50% of the shootings THIS PARTICULAR SHOOTING is part of!!!


snidely333
snidely333
Feb 22, 2014
12:16am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Jilly, you do however desire that police ignore certain facts. I believe that all facts should be taken into account by police, and that ignoring facts is downright stupid.........yet very PC.

Several Liberals on this site call me a racist, yet I likely have more black friends than they. Forkie makes the argument that being friends with lots of blacks doesn't prove one is not racist. I find that position ludicrous.


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Originally posted by: jillyf
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Originally posted by: Boilerman If cops know that 50% of blacks who enter a particular neighborhood rob, the cops are supposed to ignore this fact.
My God, how on earth would they possibly know this? Do you think they count every "black" person (not to be confused with the dark brown)?

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Originally posted by: Boilerman If 10% of the class is black and they’re committing 50% of the shootings at the school, it's ignorant to ignore these facts.
No, what's ignorant is to presume you know which 50% of the shootings THIS PARTICULAR SHOOTING is part of!!!


Your position seems to be and correct me if I'm wrong, you don't trust or like black folks unless you get to know them and can verify they are ok. Whereas a racist would not like black folks, you're just prejudiced based on skin color and appearance until you get to know a person. And your prejudice is based on your perception and interpretation of crime statistics. That position is legal for a private citizen but it's not legal or appropriate for the government to think that way. The ends do not justify the means.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Feb 22, 2014
12:28am
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Let me get this straight.

If cops know that 50% of blacks who enter a particular neighborhood rob, the cops are supposed to ignore this fact. Ignoring any facts is stupid. Downright stupid.

Of course your example of '50%' of blacks is pretty wild, but still, your obvious solution is for the police to stop and question all blacks entering that particular neighborhood, right? Because you support racial profiling by police.

What you may be missing or ignoring is what about the other 50% in your example? You know, the law abiding citizens just minding their own business How do you think this impacts them..being stopped, searched, questioned only because they are Black? How do you think that corrupts their view of the police or our society? Why don't you care about their rights?

Sure you could argue 'But what about the crime victims?' "Don't they have rights". Again, we're not talking about a specific crime...just police work based on stereotypes and not facts. If you really want to cut down on crime, just have the police go into 'bad' neighborhoods and search each house.. I'm sure you'll find a lot of things you can arrest people for. But our constitution protects us from unlawful search....at least most of us.

Here's what Bill Clinton said about Racial Profiling:

''Racial profiling is in fact the opposite of good police work where actions are based on hard facts, not stereotypes,'' the President said. ''It is wrong, it is destructive and it must stop.''

Here's what George Bush said about Racial Profiling:

“It’s wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation’s brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve"


marcisdave
marcisdave
Feb 22, 2014
6:43am
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Originally posted by: jatki99
Well it looks like he's apologized..

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rocker-ted-nugent-apologizes-obama-comment-n35706

Nugent apologized for that remark Friday in an interview with conservative radio host Ben Ferguson. His apology came after Gov. Rick Perry and Republican U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky criticized his language as inappropriate."



One hell of a weak, lame, half-hearted apology. But coming from Ted Nugent, what does one expect ?

His exact words: "I do apologize–not necessarily to the President–but on behalf of much better men than myself."

Boilerman
Boilerman
Feb 22, 2014
10:26pm
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
So Boilerman, if certain people are predictably criminal, I guess you would also want to:

  • refuse to hire them;
  • refuse to let them live in your good neighborhood;
  • refuse to serve them at your restaurants.

    Right?


    • Boilerman
    Boilerman
    Feb 22, 2014
    10:31pm
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    I will never ignore facts at hand, and some incorrectly claim that this makes me a racist. I do not dislike anyone before I meet him or her.

    You're assumptions are incorrect.


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    Originally posted by: snidely333
    Quote
    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    Jilly, you do however desire that police ignore certain facts. I believe that all facts should be taken into account by police, and that ignoring facts is downright stupid.........yet very PC.

    Several Liberals on this site call me a racist, yet I likely have more black friends than they. Forkie makes the argument that being friends with lots of blacks doesn't prove one is not racist. I find that position ludicrous.


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    Originally posted by: jillyf
    Quote
    Originally posted by: Boilerman If cops know that 50% of blacks who enter a particular neighborhood rob, the cops are supposed to ignore this fact.
    My God, how on earth would they possibly know this? Do you think they count every "black" person (not to be confused with the dark brown)?

    Quote
    Originally posted by: Boilerman If 10% of the class is black and they’re committing 50% of the shootings at the school, it's ignorant to ignore these facts.
    No, what's ignorant is to presume you know which 50% of the shootings THIS PARTICULAR SHOOTING is part of!!!


    Your position seems to be and correct me if I'm wrong, you don't trust or like black folks unless you get to know them and can verify they are ok. Whereas a racist would not like black folks, you're just prejudiced based on skin color and appearance until you get to know a person. And your prejudice is based on your perception and interpretation of crime statistics. That position is legal for a private citizen but it's not legal or appropriate for the government to think that way. The ends do not justify the means.


    Boilerman
    Boilerman
    Feb 22, 2014
    10:34pm
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    Yes, my example was "wild" as you say, and intentionally so. I believe that police should not ignore facts at hand, and you believe that should ignore facts at hand. We disagree.


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    Originally posted by: alanleroy
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    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    Let me get this straight.

    If cops know that 50% of blacks who enter a particular neighborhood rob, the cops are supposed to ignore this fact. Ignoring any facts is stupid. Downright stupid.

    Of course your example of '50%' of blacks is pretty wild, but still, your obvious solution is for the police to stop and question all blacks entering that particular neighborhood, right? Because you support racial profiling by police.

    What you may be missing or ignoring is what about the other 50% in your example? You know, the law abiding citizens just minding their own business How do you think this impacts them..being stopped, searched, questioned only because they are Black? How do you think that corrupts their view of the police or our society? Why don't you care about their rights?

    Sure you could argue 'But what about the crime victims?' "Don't they have rights". Again, we're not talking about a specific crime...just police work based on stereotypes and not facts. If you really want to cut down on crime, just have the police go into 'bad' neighborhoods and search each house.. I'm sure you'll find a lot of things you can arrest people for. But our constitution protects us from unlawful search....at least most of us.

    Here's what Bill Clinton said about Racial Profiling:

    ''Racial profiling is in fact the opposite of good police work where actions are based on hard facts, not stereotypes,'' the President said. ''It is wrong, it is destructive and it must stop.''

    Here's what George Bush said about Racial Profiling:

    “It’s wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation’s brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve"


    alanleroy
    alanleroy
    Feb 22, 2014
    11:20pm
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    Originally posted by: BoilermanI believe that police should not ignore facts at hand, and you believe that should ignore facts at hand. We disagree.


    Well, if you're down to telling me what I believe (again), then You believe it's OK for the police to regularly question, detain, and search people based on their race. You believe it's OK for the Government to trample their constitutional rights because it's expedient and 'smart'. I believe that's not OK. We do indeed disagree.
    Boilerman
    Boilerman
    Feb 22, 2014
    11:25pm
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    Individuals are not predictably criminal. We do possess data about all groups of demographics, however.

    If we look at a certain group of people and learn that 25% of them do drugs, that doesn't mean that Joe uses drugs 25% of the time.


    Quote
    Originally posted by: forkushV
    So Boilerman, if certain people are predictably criminal, I guess you would also want to:

  • refuse to hire them;
  • refuse to let them live in your good neighborhood;
  • refuse to serve them at your restaurants.

    Right?


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