Motor City Madman

Cops generally consider many things when deciding if one looks suspicious. I suggest that they should consider more than 1 criteria when summing up (making assumptions) about any individual.

All facts should be considered.


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Originally posted by: alanleroy
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Originally posted by: BoilermanI believe that police should not ignore facts at hand, and you believe that should ignore facts at hand. We disagree.



Well, if you're down to telling me what I believe (again), then You believe it's OK for the police to regularly question, detain, and search people based on their race. You believe it's OK for the Government to trample their constitutional rights because it's expedient and 'smart'. I believe that's not OK. We do indeed disagree.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Cops generally consider many things when deciding if one looks suspicious. I suggest that they should consider more than 1 criteria when summing up (making assumptions) about any individual.

All facts should be considered.



Ah, but in your example of 50% of blacks entering a neighborhood blah blah blah, you only selected ONE criteria. The one criteria that has often been used to detain and question innocent people for no reason other than their race. That's why it's called 'Racial Profiling'. You support it. I don't. I don't think we'll ever agree on this one.

Here's what Bill Clinton said about Racial Profiling:

''Racial profiling is in fact the opposite of good police work where actions are based on hard facts, not stereotypes,'' the President said. ''It is wrong, it is destructive and it must stop.''

Here's what George Bush said about Racial Profiling:

“It’s wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation’s brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve"
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Cops generally consider many things when deciding if one looks suspicious. I suggest that they should consider more than 1 criteria when summing up (making assumptions) about any individual.

All facts should be considered...
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.




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Originally posted by: Joebellstaff
You say racial profiling, I say Timothy McVeigh.


Yep. White, Christian, Extremist conservative male. ....and a terrorist.

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Originally posted by: Toomany10pins
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Originally posted by: Joebellstaff
You say racial profiling, I say Timothy McVeigh.


Yep. White, Christian, Extremist conservative male. ....and a terrorist.


Yes!
One of the many examples of how racial profiling is wrong.
But a part of me wants to say "....why racial profiling is wrong."
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Originally posted by: jatki99
You certainly aren't trying to misrepresent the context of my entire statement there are you? Why that wouldn't be cool at all forky. Shouldn't the entire thing be quoted if you want to respond accurately?, and I'll use quotes.

"I sse where you're coming from boilerman and I wholeheartedly agree on the airport profiling. Call me racist if it makes anyone feel better, really don't care."

See ?..you missed the whole airport thing.
Nope. Racial profiling at the airport is still racial prejudice. Racially profiling Middle Easteners is still racial prejudice. I know your prejudice is based on cowardice and not malice, but so what? You are prejudiced and you want to codify some of your prejudice into law. Own it.
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I'm also pro religious profiling with Muslims in our airports.
On a practical level, how would this work?

How would you have TSA determine whether a person in an airport is a Muslim? It can be kind of tough to figure out on sight if someone's a Muslim.

For instance, this Muslim:



Or this Muslim:



Or this Muslim, here costumed as a regular American from a TV show called "The Waltons":



I like your idea, of course, it's quite clever. Although I don't think most of the 9/11 terrorists wore Members Only jackets. Maybe that's what all Muslims wear, not sure.

Maybe you would you require Muslims to sew a large yellow crescent onto their clothing, say?
I see Boilerman's back. Perhaps he'll find the time to explain how he intends for TSA to figure out what a person's religion is as he or she passes through airport security.



As an American familiar with our constitution, world history, and basic human decency I don't see a way, but I suspect he's a creative sort.



How are you going to have our government sort people by religion, Boilerman? And then once it's gotten really good at it, what next?

The same way that Israel decides what a person's religion is. One simply uses his eyes, ears and mind.


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I see Boilerman's back. Perhaps he'll find the time to explain how he intends for TSA to figure out what a person's religion is as he or she passes through airport security.



As an American familiar with our constitution, world history, and basic human decency I don't see a way, but I suspect he's a creative sort.



How are you going to have our government sort people by religion, Boilerman? And then once it's gotten really good at it, what next?




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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The same way that Israel decides what a person's religion is. One simply uses his eyes, ears and mind.
How?

Come on Boilerman, educate us on how our government will sort us by religion, according to your plan.

Don't chicken out now, have the courage of your convictions.
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