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The ForkushV mantra- "Do as I say, without question". The audacity of any of us who post here to dare not to do as the all enlightened ForkushV tells us to do. He knows all, sees all. He is the final word about all things.
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
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Meanwhile, about a dozen kids a year are killed playing football, and people say "shit happens." And I'll bet more people are killed this year by vending machines than by iPad robbers. Not to mention the children killed by gun and swimming pool accidents. But yeah, lets change common behavior and criticize parenting skills over this one incident.

Young people will continue to go outside with valuables such as bicycles, skateboards, phones, cars, trucks, and yes, iPads. But out of irrational fear, some parents will keep their kids locked away without any of those things. Talk about bad parenting skills.


It's a silly argument to compare accidents to parents making dumb decisions that set their children up to be crime victims...
Yeah, I get that about you. If a kid is killed in an accident it's just "shit happens," isn't it?

Not me. I think dead is dead, regardless of how you get that way. And I'm pretty sure that allowing your kid to play football or allowing your 16 year old to drive is much more likely to result in their death than allowing them to have an iPad. Other than keeping your kids locked up, their are risks to every choice a parent makes.

There are two types of people who use the "they were asking for it" explanation of a crime: sociopathic criminals and judgmental blame-the-victim types. Coincidence?


Funny that I didn't see you applying that same logic to the gun law debate. Drunk drivers kill more people than guns do, but you'll have to point me to the post where you called for more restrictive laws on alcohol like you did with guns.
Um, I'd like to see tougher laws against drunk driving.

Regardless, when a rational person makes a decision, they consider costs AND the benefits, not just the costs, which is the way you phrased your question. Yeah, I saw what you did.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Meanwhile, about a dozen kids a year are killed playing football, and people say "shit happens." And I'll bet more people are killed this year by vending machines than by iPad robbers. Not to mention the children killed by gun and swimming pool accidents. But yeah, lets change common behavior and criticize parenting skills over this one incident.

Young people will continue to go outside with valuables such as bicycles, skateboards, phones, cars, trucks, and yes, iPads. But out of irrational fear, some parents will keep their kids locked away without any of those things. Talk about bad parenting skills.


It's a silly argument to compare accidents to parents making dumb decisions that set their children up to be crime victims...
Yeah, I get that about you. If a kid is killed in an accident it's just "shit happens," isn't it?

Not me. I think dead is dead, regardless of how you get that way. And I'm pretty sure that allowing your kid to play football or allowing your 16 year old to drive is much more likely to result in their death than allowing them to have an iPad. Other than keeping your kids locked up, their are risks to every choice a parent makes.

There are two types of people who use the "they were asking for it" explanation of a crime: sociopathic criminals and judgmental blame-the-victim types. Coincidence?


Funny that I didn't see you applying that same logic to the gun law debate. Drunk drivers kill more people than guns do, but you'll have to point me to the post where you called for more restrictive laws on alcohol like you did with guns.
Um, I'd like to see tougher laws against drunk driving.

Regardless, when a rational person makes a decision, they consider costs AND the benefits, not just the costs, which is the way you phrased your question. Yeah, I saw what you did.


Bottom line is you're taking 3 separate issues as if there is only 1. That way you can make defamatory accusations that I'm blaming the victim. IMO the courts should show no mercy to the thugs for what they did. I have sympathy for the people affected by this tragedy. But, the father deserves blame for his actions in the same way a parent would deserve blame if they didn't make their child wear a seatbelt while a passenger and he was killed by a drunk driver. I'm a Republican and most of us believe in personal responsibility. Being a liberal Democrat I know you have an almost 180 degree philosophy.
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
...But, the father deserves blame for his actions in the same way a parent would deserve blame if they didn't make their child wear a seatbelt while a passenger and he was killed by a drunk driver...
But if deaths resulted from a parent allowing their responsible 16 year old to drive, or from allowing a kid to bike to school on suburban streets, or allowing a kid to play high school football, you'd be cool with that, right? No parent blaming!

So you think that activities with a HIGHER likelihood of death due to accident are better than activities with a LOWER likelihood of death due to crime. Wow, I don't get that.

So the secrete to good parenting is if you allow your child to venture beyond the front door, make sure the child is dressed in rags(no shoes, hat or other article of clothing that may be desirable to thieves) and with nothing of value(money, phone, glasses, jewelry of any type). Got it.
forkush and stg...probably not parents...if they are, hopefully their kids are blessed with a good mother.
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Originally posted by: esteskefauver
...But, the father deserves blame for his actions in the same way a parent would deserve blame if they didn't make their child wear a seatbelt while a passenger and he was killed by a drunk driver...
But if deaths resulted from a parent allowing their responsible 16 year old to drive, or from allowing a kid to bike to school on suburban streets, or allowing a kid to play high school football, you'd be cool with that, right? No parent blaming!

So you think that activities with a HIGHER likelihood of death due to accident are better than activities with a LOWER likelihood of death due to crime. Wow, I don't get that.


You'll need to show me some stats to back up your claim that playing high school football leads to more deaths per capita than teenagers walking around with expensive items in plain sight. If stats exist I'm pretty confident you'll find many more deaths per capita from walking around with expensive items.
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forkush and stg...probably not parents...if they are, hopefully their kids are blessed with a good mother.
Yeah, I get that you resort to name-calling when you're cornered.

But what I don't get is that you prefer activities that have a higher risk of accidental death to activities that have a lower risk of criminal death. I guess I never will.

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So the secrete to good parenting is if you allow your child to venture beyond the front door, make sure the child is dressed in rags(no shoes, hat or other article of clothing that may be desirable to thieves) and with nothing of value(money, phone, glasses, jewelry of any type). Got it.


Also make sure they walk through bad neighborhoods like in North Las Vegas, because Forkie claims there is nothing to be afraid of.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
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So the secrete to good parenting is if you allow your child to venture beyond the front door, make sure the child is dressed in rags(no shoes, hat or other article of clothing that may be desirable to thieves) and with nothing of value(money, phone, glasses, jewelry of any type). Got it.


Also make sure they walk through bad neighborhoods like in North Las Vegas, because Forkie claims there is nothing to be afraid of.
Actually, what I argued was that high crime black neighborhoods are no more dangerous than equivalently high crime mixed race neighborhoods. High crime is like high crime, regardless of race.

Now why can't you wrap your brain around that, Roulette Man?
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