There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

See you didn't have to throw a temper tantrum and threaten the world economy. If you just would have gotten out the way Obamacare is doing a good job of failing on its own.

Liberal or Conservative source the story is the same:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/obamacare-train-wreck_n_4118041.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361577/assessing-exchanges-yuval-levin

It seems since the signup process is broken and will be for the foreseeable future only the really sick people are willing to spend the time to enroll in it.
So, . . . what's next?

Well, the primary Contractor for the federal exchange system, Canadian firm CGI federal, has already wrung up significant cost overruns in "building" the federally facilitated exchanges, . . . like 5 or 6 times the original cost estimate. DonDiego expects a lot more will be spent trying to get it right.

[DonDiego has had a little bit of experience programming, . . . enough to know how it works anyway. And in his career he spent lots of time working with programmers developing databases to document/process information related to testing defense systems.
This whole business isn't, . . . umm, . . . rocket science. All it is is creating a database to hold the information and implementing processes by which the data can be entered/processed/shared/etcetera to provide an "insurance policy" for an applicant with all the details of the policy, including its cost, and then handing it over to the insurance company.
None of this is groundbreaking. It's pretty much what insurance companies have been doing for years. It takes a lot of mismanagement to get it this wrong.]

Anyway, a lot more money is going to get thrown at the programing problem, . . . when the real problem is mismanagement.
And since the delays are, . . . umm, . . embarrassing to the current administration a quick solution will be demanded, . . . likely involving delaying certain programming elements once thought necessary. Of course some necessary elements have already been neglected, like detecting fraudulent applications - intending to game the system for payment subsidies higher than deserved.

And it still won't get fixed quickly.

Costs will rise.

In the meantime, the Government will start hiring folks to process paper insurance applications manually, . . . or technically start hiring more folks to process things manually. In early July, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) granted the Serco Group $1.25 billion contract to review and process paper insurance applications for Obamacare’s 34 federally-operated exchanges.
“Serco is a highly-skilled company that has a proven track record in providing cost-effective services to numerous other federal agencies,” said a spokesman for HHS. Nonetheless, Reuters reports that Britain’s Serious Fraud Office is now investigating Serco after the company reportedly overbilled the British Government as much as $80 million for criminal electronic monitoring devices.
Anyway, Serco and others will now get lots more work, . . . paperwork, . . . until/if the faulty electronic system is fixed.

Costs will rise.

DonDiego opines there'll have to be a delay in implementing Obamacare, . . . 'cause one cannot apply a penalty-tax against someone for not buying insurance if one does not provide a means by which someone can buy the mandatory insurance.
Hmm, . . . "delay Obamacare", . . . DonDiego has heard that before.

And once it is implemented, and folks, . . . especially younger folks, . . . find out what it costs, including deductibles, DonDiego expects lots of sick folks and lots of old folks will sign up and insufficient healthy young folks will sign up to actually provide the revenue necessary to sustain the "insurance system".
And as the penalty-tax rises for the first several years - sorta like boiling a frog in a pan, one cannot start out with the water too hot - the dissatisfaction of the young will grow.

[This points out a significant flaw in the Obamacare Insurance. It is not insurance. A self-sustaining insurance company is run based upon computation of the expected costs likely to be incurred by a client - based upon all sorts of statistically relevant medical data - and subsequent computation of a price so as to on average cover those costs and provide some profit. The price of Obamacare Insurance, once subsidies are applied, is primarily dependent upon what the applicant can pay.]

The result will be w-a-a-a-a-y insufficient funds to run the system. This realization will be followed by all sorts of solutions - like making it even more mandatory, reducing payments to health care providers, limiting services to clients, charging more to "those who can afford it", etc., etc., etc.

Quality will decline. And costs will rise anyway.

And eventually someone will recognize that this medical insurance program just isn't working, . . . and propose that the Government has to take over administration of the entire medical system of the USA.

[The suspicious among the population might well suspect that designing a mandatory faux-insurance system that is destined to fail might have been the the first step toward this objective all along.]

Oh, . . . and then costs will rise. But at least the Government will have relieved the citizenry of the burden of making their own medical decisions.

And the suspicious will have learned the lesson of Winston Smith:
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."__1984







None of the costs of the exchanges will even begin to touch the costs of the government shutdown that was initiated to try and stop them.

I am a programmer and Don Diego's synopsis cant be any farther from the truth. Implementing a system for the government requires you to interface with lots of other systems ...some built 30 years ago or more. Try getting a web based application to talk to a 1970s database....and coordinate the project with other government agencies in the bureaucracy. It aint easy. it has to talk to the irs to verify income, for example. It talks to other systems to verify citizenship, disability status, age...etc, etc. Many of these external systems need to have square pegs pounded through round holes to get them to play nice....and that is the primary nature the problems to date.

Im not making excuses for the vendor. There have been unacceptable bugs and performance issues..and states who built there own system seem to be doing better, albeit part of that is because they have a smaller subset of people hitting their servers.

Its interesting to note the primary objection of Obamacare has gone from....nobody wants it....to....it cant accommodate the huge number of people that do want it. Its a legitimate gripe and one I hope is fixed soon.
My programming skills aren’t that good. A bit of html, and php and that is about it. I am trying to get motivated to learn Ruby (it is the next big thing), but I just can’t seem to find the time. Anyway, I find the issues inexcusable. Obama knew the whole country was going to be scrutinizing these Federal Exchanges so there is no excuse to not have them at least functional. From what I have read (I think both articles I posted mention it) the problem is that the system was designed to work like a traditional ecommerce site at first that is the user browsed what policies were available to them before they had to set up an account and enter any personal information much like you would browse for an item on an ecommerce site, pick a product or service you wanted and then enter your information at checkout. Back in September the Obama administration decided it didn’t want people to be able to browse and wanted them to enter all their information and verify their identity before they were allowed to browse and see the premium. The reason offered in the articles I read was to avoid sticker shock and scare folks away. Basically when this change was made they just cobbled it on to what was already there when a start from fresh approach was really needed.

Pj - It is not a popularity problem the goal was 500,000 enrollees in the first month. Obama has already said they aren’t going to meet that goal, and what they are finding is that the people that are getting in and joining are the ones that are desperate for coverage and are willing to try 25-30 times before giving up. The healthily people that the exchange needs are giving up which will cause the premium costs to spiral out of control. In Insurance Speak the risk pools are going to have a very high loss ratio.

Don Diego – We agree about what the end game will be I think. However, I don’t think it was set-up to fail. Honestly why most mainstream conservatives (not the crazed teabaggers) are desperate to stop Obamacare before it is implemented is because they know once it is implemented and if it fails the only solution is government. What Obamacare will provide is hard data on the number of people that need insurance and haven’t been able to get it in the past. It will show the true cost of insuring these people on a for profit private insurance policy with irrefutable data and it will also show how large the unmet need is terms of a % of the population. Conservatives will no longer be able to claim that uninsured people aren’t a significant problem and that people’s medical needs aren’t going unmet. So in that way it will be a victory.

Re: pjstroh's post.

The inter-agency difficulties with Government computer systems is well known. It should have been a consideration in soliciting the vendors and in designing the system. If it was not known or if it was not included as part of the contract it is Government incompetence. If it was known by the contractor he should have included it in his budget for both time and costing, or he is incompetent, or he knows he'll get paid whatever it takes - see point ii., below.

The above paragraph and pjstroh's comment that some States are doing better brings up two points:

i. The State exchanges and the Federal exchanges are both included within the Affordable Care Act. The Feds knew or should have known what they were getting into. It is not surprising that some States are doing better. Umm, . . . but DonDiego has a question: don't the State exchanges also have to interface with all those Federal agencies?

[Actually, DonDiego recognizes the interfacing difficulty. But just for the exchange function, . . . shopping for an insurance plan, learning the benefits and costs, and signing up . . . the interfaces really aren't required. As pjstroh notes, they will be necessary for different agencies to verify the information. But the Administration already acknowledged the interfaces would not work; that's why they waved the requirement and already announced the first year "Obamacare would be on the honor system" - data would be accepted as entered and not verified.]

ii. Onto a more, . . . umm, . . . sensitive point. Some State exchanges are not doing well at all. The Hawaii exchange awarded a contract for $53-million to the Canadian CGI Group, . . . the same company which the US Government chose to implement the Federal exchanges. At least through the first two weeks no one, NO ONE, in Hawaii was able to sign up. And, perhaps an even more sensitive point, . . . the US Government issued a no-bid contract to the same CGI Group for the federal exchanges, . . . and has refused to discuss the reason.

The train wreck continues.

Well I am happy to report if you look around enough you can now browse Insurance Plans without having to sign-up, and oh my how enlightening that has been. In my county in my State Obamacare is sort of like the Model T in that there aren’t very many choices. If I want to buy coverage there is only one company selling it Anthem Blue Cross and there are no other choices.

The first plan they showed me is a plan called “Catastrophic” which is slotted below the Bronze plan. (I wasn’t even aware that was an option) at $621 a month. No details were available as to how it works and what it pays for. Then there are a couple of Bronze plans and a few more Silver Plans. It is hard to distinguish between the differences as they are all offered by the same company, but the plans have slightly different names, and the features are hidden. Most of them have HSA in the name so I assume that means health savings account meaning there would be additional costs (to fund the HSA) and the deductibles would be very high. The least expensive Bronze plan is $728 and the least expensive Silver Plan is $928. If I want to go gold it is $1228 per-month.

I can see why Obama would want to hide these premiums. So yeah if you want to see what your Obama care premiums are you can now do that without signing up.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
My programming skills aren’t that good. A bit of html, and php and that is about it. I am trying to get motivated to learn Ruby (it is the next big thing), but I just can’t seem to find the time. Anyway, I find the issues inexcusable. Obama knew the whole country was going to be scrutinizing these Federal Exchanges so there is no excuse to not have them at least functional. From what I have read (I think both articles I posted mention it) the problem is that the system was designed to work like a traditional ecommerce site at first that is the user browsed what policies were available to them before they had to set up an account and enter any personal information much like you would browse for an item on an ecommerce site, pick a product or service you wanted and then enter your information at checkout. Back in September the Obama administration decided it didn’t want people to be able to browse and wanted them to enter all their information and verify their identity before they were allowed to browse and see the premium. The reason offered in the articles I read was to avoid sticker shock and scare folks away. Basically when this change was made they just cobbled it on to what was already there when a start from fresh approach was really needed.

Pj - It is not a popularity problem the goal was 500,000 enrollees in the first month. Obama has already said they aren’t going to meet that goal, and what they are finding is that the people that are getting in and joining are the ones that are desperate for coverage and are willing to try 25-30 times before giving up. The healthily people that the exchange needs are giving up which will cause the premium costs to spiral out of control. In Insurance Speak the risk pools are going to have a very high loss ratio.

Don Diego – We agree about what the end game will be I think. However, I don’t think it was set-up to fail. Honestly why most mainstream conservatives (not the crazed teabaggers) are desperate to stop Obamacare before it is implemented is because they know once it is implemented and if it fails the only solution is government. What Obamacare will provide is hard data on the number of people that need insurance and haven’t been able to get it in the past. It will show the true cost of insuring these people on a for profit private insurance policy with irrefutable data and it will also show how large the unmet need is terms of a % of the population. Conservatives will no longer be able to claim that uninsured people aren’t a significant problem and that people’s medical needs aren’t going unmet. So in that way it will be a victory.


It cant work the way a regular ecommerce site works. There is not a universal price for everyone...it has to calculate your price based upon your personal data. When you shop for homeowners insurance online it does the same thing. You have to answer a series of questions before you are quoted a price.

RE: Don Diego's post.

As already stated, there's lots of problems getting the exchanges running. The absolute worst case scenario would be to replace the national exchange with one of the more successful systems from the states. I dont anticipate that will be necessary. I'm predicting by the next threatened shutdown of the government (Jan 7) the tea party will have to find a different reason to be critical of Obamacare as this one will be behind us.

In the meantime I'm sure we'll hear lots of apocalyptic rhetoric from the same people who have been giving it to us all along.
PJ - I must have posted that last response the same time you did. Ironically even though I hadn’t seen your post it addressed most of what you were saying. I also have a 24 year old (She is the healthy young person they say they need) and so for fun I put her information in and got the following results:

Only one company offers a plan
Catastrophic Sub-Bronze Plan $422 a month
Cheapest Bronze Plan $495 a month
Cheapest Silver Plan $617 a month
Cheapest Gold Plan $834 a month
Now she makes 15k a year and she is a full time student. She doesn’t qualify for any premium subsides because she makes too little and she doesn’t qualify for Medicaid because our State didn’t expand it. So those are her actual out of pocket premiums. Again most of the Plans have HSA next to them indicating additional funds would have to go into a HSA. Obamacare is a sad joke PJ.
Obamacare is a total bag of worms, expensive worms at that. Another example of the "change you can believe in" mantra. Are any of you that voted for the current POTUS starting to get it?
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