There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

I am disappointed he sold out to the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, and the large hospital holding companies. The silver lining in all of this is that when it fails the problem will no longer be able to be ignored and will have hard data that shows private insurance companies aren't the solution.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
Obamacare is a total bag of worms, expensive worms at that. Another example of the "change you can believe in" mantra. Are any of you that voted for the current POTUS starting to get it?


Anyone remember the roll out of the even more unpopular (at the time) than ObamaCare Medicare Part D?

"As the report details, GAO investigators spent several weeks calling the 1-800-Medicare call line, posing as senior citizens asking for information about the new benefit. What they heard amounted to a busy signal.

"Without reliable customer support, the Part D program isn't just complicated, it's a health care crap shoot," said Rep. Henry Brown, D-S.C., ranking member on the Energy and Commerce Committee's Health Subcommittee.

According to GAO, the federal handbooks, Web site, and 1-800 Medicare hotline failed to provide information that was "consistently clear, complete, accurate, and usable," CBS News correspondent Andrew Wyatt reports." [...]

"'The bill is confusing,' said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. 'The administration doesn't even understand the bill fully enough to explain it to seniors.'

Under pressure, congressional Republicans are considering elimination of the financial penalty for missing the deadline."
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Originally posted by: pjstroh None of the costs of the exchanges will even begin to touch the costs of the government shutdown that was initiated to try and stop them.


Strange that it costs more to close stuff and furlough people than is does to keep things open and people working. Obamanomics.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh I am a programmer and Don Diego's synopsis cant be any farther from the truth. Implementing a system for the government requires you to interface with lots of other systems ...some built 30 years ago or more. Try getting a web based application to talk to a 1970s database....and coordinate the project with other government agencies in the bureaucracy. It aint easy. it has to talk to the irs to verify income, for example. It talks to other systems to verify citizenship, disability status, age...etc, etc. Many of these external systems need to have square pegs pounded through round holes to get them to play nice....and that is the primary nature the problems to date.


We have to pass this to see what's in it wasn't the worst part. Getting it started 4 years after passing it is a huge failure. One thing you can be sure of is, the IRS will know who hasn't signed up, no matter what excuses you make for interagency interface software problems.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh Im not making excuses for the vendor.


You are making excuses for both the vendor and the government.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh There have been unacceptable bugs and performance issues..and states who built there own system seem to be doing better, albeit part of that is because they have a smaller subset of people hitting their servers.


The system wasn't ready for the singular population of many individual states. It had to start because Obama said it had to start, no negotiations. It's HIS law. Even after the passage of the CR and the debt ceiling increase, it is still HIS law, not open to negotiation. He will, by fiat, alter HIS law as he sees fit, and has already done quite a few times since Congress, breaking Congressional rules, passed the law.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh Its interesting to note the primary objection of Obamacare has gone from....nobody wants it....to....it cant accommodate the huge number of people that do want it. Its a legitimate gripe and one I hope is fixed soon.


The primary objection hasn't changed. 5% of the population just looking at it isn't a "huge number" of people wanting it. That small number of people are seeing what it really is, and most of them don't want it. Contra to what this monstrosity was and still is being sold as (insuring Americans who don't have insurance), it will result in a significant decrease in the number of Americans who have insurance....and the IRS will punish them for it.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Strange that it costs more to close stuff and furlough people than is does to keep things open and people working. Obamanomics...
And if Walmart closes their doors for the next three week, it will cost them more than if they stay open for business. Economics.


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Strange that it costs more to close stuff and furlough people than is does to keep things open and people working. Obamanomics...
And if Walmart closes their doors for the next three week, it will cost them more than if they stay open for business. Economics.


In the case of the fed govt the revenue (taxes) was still coming in. If Walmart closes they don't have any sales.

The $24b in lost economic activity represents less than 1% of the US $16T annual GDP.

I have a question for any or all of the Obamacare supporters here.

How do you suppose the thousands upon thousands of unemployed workers, the people forced to accept low paying or part-time work or minimum wage work are going to afford to pay for a forced purchased insurance policy or pay the penalty when they cannot buy one?

Any ideas?
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Originally posted by: nemesis
I have a question for any or all of the Obamacare supporters here.

How do you suppose the thousands upon thousands of unemployed workers, the people forced to accept low paying or part-time work or minimum wage work are going to afford to pay for a forced purchased insurance policy or pay the penalty when they cannot buy one?

Any ideas?


If they are unemployed with little or no income they will qualify or Medicaid.
If Obamacare fails, and I most certainly feel it will, it will be for the same reason the current system is in such a miserable state; high costs.

The great new plan does nothing to counteract the ever increasing cost of hospital care and especially drug costs. As long as an aspirin in a hospital costs $15, a hospital administrator makes $600,000 a year and a hemophiliacs drugs can cost up to 6 or 7 hundred thousand dollars a year we are going to have a serious health care problem in this country.

Obamacare sure as hell isn't going to fix any of that. All this program does is allow for, no, make that force everyone, to buy a policy that they either cannot afford due to co-pays, or will not provide adequate coverage for price paid. The fact that it eliminates pre-existing health issues and policy max-outs only makes the policies more expensive thereby making it more difficult for the very people that need this to get it.

A real good start on fixing the health care system would be to get rid of the drug lobbyists. Matter-of-fact get rid of all lobbyist. How did they become legal anyway?
Ok, fine. That also has co-pays and doesn't pay for everything. Back to square one, everyone doesn't have coverage again. Obama fails and more people are on the government tit. Sorry PJ that just doesn't work.
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Originally posted by: nemesis
Ok, fine. That also has co-pays and doesn't pay for everything. Back to square one, everyone doesn't have coverage again. Obama fails and more people are on the government tit. Sorry PJ that just doesn't work.


Well that's why we have elections. If Obamacare is a miserable failure where costs rise and people are denied care then it will be incredibly easy to elect enough politicians to kill it.

The fact that Obamacare's staunchest critics have resorted to other methods to kill the law says quite a bit.
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