Washington native americans

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
In this day and age, not knowing why Native Americans would be offended by Redskins while simultaneously feigning shock that Native Americans aren't offended by Apache, Comanche, Chinook, Lakota, Cheyenne, Kiowa, Black Hawk, Tomahawk, Gray Eagle, and Geronimo requires a willingness to appear stupid.

Enter DonDiego.

"Most American Indians say that calling Washington’s professional football team the “Redskins” does not bother them, the University of Pennsylvania’s National Annenberg Election Survey shows.
Ninety percent of Indians took that position
, while 9 percent said they found the name “offensive.” One percent had no answer. The margin of sampling error for those findings was plus or minus two percentage points."
Ref: Annenberg Public Policy Center - 2004 Survey

" . . . a new Associated Press-GfK poll shows that nationally, “Redskins” still enjoys widespread support. Nearly four in five Americans don’t think the team should change its name, the survey found. Only 11 percent think it should be changed, while 8 percent weren’t sure and 2 percent didn’t answer."
Ref: AP - GfK Poll - 2013

DonDiego sure feels stupid about not understanding why so many people find the name "Redskins" offensive, . . . or he would, if they did.

DonDiego does not recall "feigning shock"; shock is not something DonDiego is accustomed to confronting.
DonDiego references the above polls to suggest neither most Indigenous Peoples of North America nor most immigrants to the United States find the name "Redskins" offensive.
DonDiego suspects even fewer find the Indian names applied to military aircraft, weapon systems, and operations objectionable.

Nonetheless, DonDiego is of the opinion that it should not be a major concern of Government when someone is "offended" by something, . . . especially something not intended to be "offensive". DonDiego has noted that an ever-increasing number of citizens are now in the business of being offended. Its not productive.

In this particular case poor old DonDiego agrees with Professor Jonathan Turley who writes in The Washington Post that canceling the trademark is an example of "a federal agency going beyond its brief to inappropriately insert itself in social or political debates."


__"Oklahoma" is a compound of two Choctaw words meaning "red" and "people."
__The University of Utah and Florida State University have the approval of the respective tribes for their teams' nicknames, the Utes and Seminoles?
When is The Obama going after them?


This is DonDiego's philosophy.
"Can't we all, . . . jes' get along?"__ Mr. Rodney King 1965 - 2012; drowned in his swimming pool with alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, and PCP found in his system.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Nonetheless, DonDiego is of the opinion that it should not be a major concern of Government when someone is "offended" by something, . . . especially something not intended to be "offensive".
No one in this thread has suggested that the Government need be involved in the debate about the Redskins' name.

You continually invent opponents in hopes of finally winning an argument.

By the way, that 2004 Annenberg survey doesn't prove much about the state of affairs in 2014. Just like 2004 polls on marriage equality, attitudes change.

You would do well to read "11 Reasons to Ignore the 10-Year-Old Annenberg Survey About the Washington Football Team’s Offensive Name" published earlier this year by students at American University.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Nonetheless, DonDiego is of the opinion that it should not be a major concern of Government when someone is "offended" by something, . . . especially something not intended to be "offensive".
No one in this thread has suggested that the Government need be involved in the debate about the Redskins' name.


ObeyMe's federal government felt a need to be involved, and it did so in a way that has nothing to do with "debate". It is an assault on property rights. All major sports franchises make significant money on the use of their team logos. ObeyMe's patent office tells the Redskins they will lose all property rights to the name. If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur, why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?

Let the market speak, instead of people telling other people they should be offended by something, and if they aren't offended, those offended people will be offended on behalf of the unoffended people.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

By the way, that 2004 Annenberg survey doesn't prove much about the state of affairs in 2014.

Which is why poor old DonDiego included the AP - GfK Poll - 2013.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Nonetheless, DonDiego is of the opinion that it should not be a major concern of Government when someone is "offended" by something, . . . especially something not intended to be "offensive".
No one in this thread has suggested that the Government need be involved in the debate about the Redskins' name.


ObeyMe's federal government felt a need to be involved, and it did so in a way that has nothing to do with "debate". It is an assault on property rights. All major sports franchises make significant money on the use of their team logos. ObeyMe's patent office tells the Redskins they will lose all property rights to the name. If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur, why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?

Let the market speak, instead of people telling other people they should be offended by something, and if they aren't offended, those offended people will be offended on behalf of the unoffended people.


"If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur" ??? Really? You still don't know?

"Why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?" I'm guessing that most people didn't know since the American Indian population is very small and their voice wasn't loud enough on the topic. At this point so many have jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff that they don't likely care anymore.

I've enjoyed watching people who see nothing wrong with the name "Redskins" or its logo think the team's recent loss in trademark court was somehow a loss for free speech. If anything, it was the opposite.

The team wanted to prevent other people from making and selling stuff with the team's name or logo printed on it. The court, however, said that because Congress passed a law saying that racial slurs don't deserve trademark protection, and because the team's name and associated logo are in effect just racial slurs, they can't be trademarked, meaning that the government won't let the team try and muzzle others who try to sell Redskins stuff.





The trademark court's decision was a victory for free speech, giving everyone, not just the team, the right to shame themselves by making and selling crap with the team's name or logo printed on it.

Silly, because the team has so many smart, respectful, and profitable ways out.

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Originally posted by: Liondownnow


"If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur" ??? Really? You still don't know?

"Why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?" I'm guessing that most people didn't know since the American Indian population is very small and their voice wasn't loud enough on the topic. At this point so many have jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff that they don't likely care anymore.



And right there is the nail on the head, People never knew or ever thought of it as a slur until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to be offended by such a horrendous word.

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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Liondownnow


"If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur" ??? Really? You still don't know?

"Why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?" I'm guessing that most people didn't know since the American Indian population is very small and their voice wasn't loud enough on the topic. At this point so many have jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff that they don't likely care anymore.



And right there is the nail on the head, People never knew or ever thought of it as a slur until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to be offended by such a horrendous word.


But we all know now... What will we do with knowledge?
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Originally posted by: Liondownnow
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: Liondownnow


"If the team name was in fact an offensive racial slur" ??? Really? You still don't know?

"Why would anyone buy their jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff?" I'm guessing that most people didn't know since the American Indian population is very small and their voice wasn't loud enough on the topic. At this point so many have jerseys, hats, banners and other stuff that they don't likely care anymore.



And right there is the nail on the head, People never knew or ever thought of it as a slur until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to be offended by such a horrendous word.


But we all know now... What will we do with knowledge?
Be like jatki?

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Originally posted by: jatki99
People never knew or ever thought of it as a slur until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to be offended by such a horrendous word.
People never knew or even thought of lead paint as a poison until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to use different kinds of paint.



People never knew or even thought of hitting a child as a barbarism until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone how to discipline more effectively.



People never knew or even thought of segregation as indecent until the crusaders jumped in and told everyone to treat all Americans equally.



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