What is up with the stock market?

It seems to defy logic. It has almost doubled in four years since January 2009. Makes no sense to this ignorant cracker.

I have all of my investments earning a secure 4%. I am getting an earful from my buddies who stayed in the market.
Warren Buffett is nervous about how the QE experiment by the Fed is going to play out.

https://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/05/04/buffett-worries-about-feds-huge-experiment/
It's all Bush's fault.
The short answer:
What is being performed by the Federal Reserve Bank is market levitation by qualitative easing.

The Fed is buying most of the debt being issued by the US Government, . . . $85-billion per month, . . . to keep interest rates low. Investors, not impressed by 10-year US Bond yields of less than 2%, are turning to the stock market for yield and potential capital gains.

These are not normal market conditions.


Mr. Buffet, as referenced by esteskefauver above, and others wonder what happens when the Fed slows or stops buying the US debt. As things return to "normal" and interest rates rise, . . . will it precipitate a dramatic stock market decline?

As Mr. Buffet says: "Anyone who owns stocks will reevaluate his hand when it happens, and that will happen very quickly." DonDiego says take note of the phrase "very quickly". The stock market is elevated by an unprecedented Government interference in the markets, . . . and not only in the US, but also in Germany and even more so in Japan.

Everybody's investing in stocks to get returns unavailable in bonds or other alternatives, . . . and everybody is hoping to be among the first out of the stock market when things change and the market drops. DonDiego is there too.

And, as Mr. Buffet observes: " . . . the Fed's moves have the ability to cause a lot of inflation." Uh-oh! the worst of both world's, . . . a cratering stock market and rising prices.
Could it happen? Umm, . . DonDiego doesn't know. Didn't the reader pay attention when he said this was all unprecedented?

If the reader wants to investigate beyond the misinformation likely to be found on the internets' fora, . . . DonDiego suggests starting with the topics of Keynesian Economics vs Austrian School Economics.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
The short answer:
What is being performed by the Federal Reserve Bank is market levitation by qualitative easing.

The Fed is buying most of the debt being issued by the US Government, . . . $85-billion per month, . . . to keep interest rates low. Investors, not impressed by 10-year US Bond yields of less than 2%, are turning to the stock market for yield and potential capital gains.

These are not normal market conditions.


Mr. Buffet, as referenced by esteskefauver above, and others wonder what happens when the Fed slows or stops buying the US debt. As things return to "normal" and interest rates rise, . . . will it precipitate a dramatic stock market decline?

As Mr. Buffet says: "Anyone who owns stocks will reevaluate his hand when it happens, and that will happen very quickly." DonDiego says take note of the phrase "very quickly". The stock market is elevated by an unprecedented Government interference in the markets, . . . and not only in the US, but also in Germany and even more so in Japan.

Everybody's investing in stocks to get returns unavailable in bonds or other alternatives, . . . and everybody is hoping to be among the first out of the stock market when things change and the market drops. DonDiego is there too.

And, as Mr. Buffet observes: " . . . the Fed's moves have the ability to cause a lot of inflation." Uh-oh! the worst of both world's, . . . a cratering stock market and rising prices.
Could it happen? Umm, . . DonDiego doesn't know. Didn't the reader pay attention when he said this was all unprecedented?

If the reader wants to investigate beyond the misinformation likely to be found on the internets' fora, . . . DonDiego suggests starting with the topics of Keynesian Economics vs Austrian School Economics.


Thank you for the well informed response. I just don't see myself ever putting any money into the stock market. I know the state of Florida is doing it with my pension in a round about way but as far as the money I accumulated on my own I just can't see me ever jumping into the market. I really believe that in this day and age it is crooked and too easy to manipulate by the big fish. I saw Jim Cramer talking about how he used to falsely drive up the price of a stock and how easy it was to do this. It turned my stomach. Don't these people realize that for many this is their clients life savings.

I've been listening to the runaway inflation and dollar crisis argument as long as I've been in the market. Strategies built around such predictions have historically been losing ones...and no more so than in the recovery over the last 4 years. People who question the integrity of the US dollar need to have an intelligent alternative currency. Most people cant find one - certainly not in enough quantity to swap out all the US assets into that currency. So until someone presents me with that rational alternative I tend to think an imminent dollar crisis is not something to lose sleep over.

Aside from that there is much to be bullish about IMO. Stock valuations are not high by any historical measure and that is coupled with corpoate balance sheets being in the best shape in decades. And with the housing market coming back....and the continuing modernization of third world countries....and massive infrastructure needs at home which will sooner or later need to be addressed by our crippled Congress.....well, I think there's lots of profits ahead.

For those of you who seem to know a whole lot more than I do about this let me ask you this, If the US market crashes wouldn't the rest of the world take a serious hit?

I mean even China who we borrowed a boat load of money from would be in trouble because if our economy tanks we can't afford to buy made in China products.
It was a good quarter in my 401k. My account went up $60,000. It makes me wonder if I should preserve some of those gains?
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
...I really believe that in this day and age it is crooked and too easy to manipulate by the big fish. I saw Jim Cramer talking about how he used to falsely drive up the price of a stock and how easy it was to do this. It turned my stomach. Don't these people realize that for many this is their clients life savings.
Sorry, it's not a corporation's job to look out for your interests, nor should it be. It's their job is to legally maximize profits. If you want them to behave properly, you have legislate it and enforce it. Of course Wall Street has convinced many Americans that it's those who enforce the laws that are the bad guys.
QE is creating a bubble not unlike the housing bubble that led to the last recession. When money is printed with no added value it simple reduces the value of all the currency. This bubble will eventually burst, all bubbles eventually burst. It usually happens when something unexpected creates additional pressures or some international crisis creates fear in investors.

People who stayed in the market after the last crash have recovered the losses from the last bubble ... they were smart. The question is ... do you feel lucky? There is such a thing as limiting your risk. I hope everyone is doing this if they have investments. Finally, about the only thing that goes up when bubbles explode is commodities.
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