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Why are people not outraged about this?

malibber2

Jul 24, 2013
6:24am

In the Zimmerman case they weren’t incompetent, and they even tried to cheat by suppressing evidence. If you take a look at Florida’s self defense laws there was just no way for them to get a conviction. Truthfully, based solely on the law this wasn’t even a close case. Florida’s self-defense law doesn’t even require for someone to have suffered an actual injury before they use deadly force. The fact that Zimmerman had visible injuries and they were observed by the police, EMTs on the scene, that they were photographed and caught on a video camera made it impossible to convict Zimmerman. Even if the State had hired the best criminal trial lawyer in the country to prosecute he or she would have been unable to get a conviction with the facts in this case and the way Florida’s law reads. And I am certainly no right wing gun nut.

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No, he wasn't convicted of murder....but he should have been...just like OJ should have been....The incompetence of the prosection in both cases resulted in these unjust verdicts.....and before all the right wing gun nuts start chirping again, know this...eff off...and have a nice day.

jatki

Jul 24, 2013
6:18pm

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Some open their mouth's and say things based solely on emotion w/o using the logic/reasoning part of the brain. Everything Mal said was absolutely correct and he's the most liberal bleeding heart guy you'll ever meet and an attorney to boot.
If the prosecution was so inept, just what evidence did they withhold that made GZ dodge a conviction? I watched the trial and it sure seemed the prosecution threw everything they possibly could think of and hoping some of it would stick, even throwing a child abuse charge in at the last minute(which was absolutely ridiculous IMO).
I'm really curious on what basis was he guilty, be specific as possible if you don't mind.

J

BTW I said bleeding heart liberal in the most kind and respectful way I could think of mal

forkushV

Jul 24, 2013
8:46pm

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If Trayvon had taken a couple of punches, been armed, and drawn first, he would have been not guilty of murder under Florida law as it was adjudged in this case. But would hoops, jatki, Blade, loyd, Cowboy and the rest have leaped to Trayvon's defense? Don't make me laugh.

alanleroyII

Jul 24, 2013
11:12pm

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Originally posted by: forkushV
If Trayvon had taken a couple of punches, been armed, and drawn first, he would have been not guilty of murder under Florida law as it was adjudged in this case. But would hoops, jatki, Blade, loyd, Cowboy and the rest have leaped to Trayvon's defense? Don't make me laugh.

So if Zimmerman was pounding Martin's head into the pavement MMA style and Martin pulled his legally concealed weapon to stop the attack...You'd want to make sure Martin was charged with 2nd degree murder then....And if he was exonerated, you'd want to pursue federal charges, because it was obviously a hate crime against White Hispanics...right?

Roulette Man

Jul 25, 2013
1:11am

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Originally posted by: forkushV
If Trayvon had taken a couple of punches, been armed, and drawn first, he would have been not guilty of murder under Florida law as it was adjudged in this case. But would hoops, jatki, Blade, loyd, Cowboy and the rest have leaped to Trayvon's defense? Don't make me laugh.

Oh you just know you won't get a straight answer from Forkie on that scenario.

alanleroyII

Jul 25, 2013
1:26am

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Originally posted by: forkushV
If Trayvon had taken a couple of punches, been armed, and drawn first, he would have been not guilty of murder under Florida law as it was adjudged in this case. But would hoops, jatki, Blade, loyd, Cowboy and the rest have leaped to Trayvon's defense? Don't make me laugh.

So if Zimmerman was pounding Martin's head into the pavement MMA style and Martin pulled his legally concealed weapon to stop the attack...You'd want to make sure Martin was charged with 2nd degree murder then....And if he was exonerated, you'd want to pursue federal charges, because it was obviously a hate crime against White Hispanics...right?

Oh you just know you won't get a straight answer from Forkie on that scenario.

Well I'd like to think that everyone's position would be the same if the roles were reversed. About the only think I can guarantee is that there would have been no media circus.

CowboyKell

Jul 25, 2013
1:41am

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You are right Chill. You said "appeared" to be murdered. I was just going with the law (just or not) and as far as appearances go, even without SYG the original report does not "appear" to be murder.

CowboyKell

Jul 25, 2013
1:55am

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Hey Fork, don't lump me in there. I have not leapt to any "one"s defense, only to the point of law.
I personally believe that Zimmerman is an idiot, gloryhound, powerhungry wannabe who should not have been doing what he was doing.
If you have a problem with the law, change it in the legislature. Picking and choosing when to enforce and when not to enforce a law leads to a completely disordered society. Kinda like what we have now.

jatki

Jul 25, 2013
2:20am

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Please don't lump me into a crowd, there's only two people on this board that deserve a single minded label and you're one of 'em.I have a brain and can think independently quite well, thanks. I absolutely would've been on his side if it was reversed and turned into the whole circus it turned into(would've been a riot hearing Obama trying to compare himself to a young thug hispanic guy tho).

So yes, absolutely, if TM was a neighborhood watch guy trying to look out for his neighborhood and got jumped(or whatever) by GZ and GZ got shot and died, I would want the exact same verdict. And I never would've been calling the law perverted or bastardized or whatever, somehow I doubt anyone would. Possibly a hispanic contingent, I dunno. I know for damn sure there wouldn't be any demonstrations or call for civil trial, I doubt we would've ever even heard of it. I know I can't speak for you, but somehow I have the feeling you wouldn't be upset at all in this scenario.

J

Loyd Vegas

Jul 25, 2013
2:32am

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My purpose in responding to loydthelover was to refute his suggestion that the Zimmerman-Martin case is the same as the case from New York a couple years ago and now running wild through the right-wing media (which claims to not want to talk about Zimmerman-Martin anymore). The cases share some attributes, but not the one that made this case famous, which was the outrage over what seemed to many to be a cut-and-dried case of murder being overlooked by prosecutors because the victim was just another dead black kid.

I honestly don't give a damn about either case. I only posted this because I knew you would all get worked up over it.

Have a great day!

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