Why are people not outraged about this?

It simply doesn’t matter if he was followed, chased or did the chasing himself. None of those activities are illegal in the State of Florida.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
It simply doesn’t matter if he was followed, chased or did the chasing himself. None of those activities are illegal in the State of Florida.
Oh, but I specified "in a civilized society."

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Because in a civilized society, Zimmerman's actions of profiling, following, and finally chasing Trayvon for no reason would be considered assault under the law as it is in the dictionary. And when a criminal act like Zimmerman's assault results in a death, the law tends to punish the criminal and exonerate the non-criminal.
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Following someone who you think is behaving suspiciously is assault? I don't think so.
You obviously don't know the difference between "assault" and "assault & battery." And Trayvon was chased for no justifiable reason, not just followed like you pretend.

From wikipedia's page on Assault: "At Common Law, an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact." That may not be Florida's definition of assault, but it should be in any civilized society.

Black or white, when the paranoid, bigoted, profiling, cowardly chaser gets killed, it may be justifiable homicide. When the other guy dies, no.


Maybe you can give a single example of anyone in the history of the world ever being charged with 'Assault' for following someone in their neighborhood they felt suspicious or even chasing them where no words or actual threatening moves were ever attempted.
An assault conviction without a concomitant battery incident? Nope, those don't typically happen unless a bad guy sticks a gun in someone's face. Otherwise it's misdemeanor harassment or similar.

Should it be legal for some armed creep to menace one of your children by arbitrarily deciding to chase them down based on their looks? My answer is no; not in a civilized society.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
When was Martin being chased? Being chased would have to involve running away. When was Martin running away? There was no evidence that indicated he was running away...
So now you're saying that Trayvon Martin had a "duty to retreat." Well isn't that special? I guess if Trayvon had been "respectful" and thrown in some "yassuhs," this whole thing would have ended peacefully.


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Maybe you can give a single example of anyone in the history of the world ever being charged with 'Assault' for following someone in their neighborhood they felt suspicious or even chasing them where no words or actual threatening moves were ever attempted.
I doubt forkushV can do this, because chasing is inherently threatening.

If someone you don't know suddenly starts chasing you in public, you're being threatened. Case closed.



When was Martin being chased? Being chased would have to involve running away. When was Martin running away?
Why are you quoting my post? I didn't say Martin was being chased.

I was responding to alanleroy2's post. That's why I quoted his post, which wasn't about Martin.

I don't know if Martin was chased. Nor do you. Martin's dead, Zimmerman didn't testify, and there were no eyewitnesses.

You're responding before reading.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Should it be legal for some armed creep to menace one of your children by arbitrarily deciding to chase them down based on their looks? My answer is no; not in a civilized society.
Yep, that's the key feature of this tragedy. Florida has screwed up hundreds of years of self-defense law, law that required people who can retreat to do so, to such a degree that people can instigate confrontations, get scared, and shoot their way out and avoid prison.

I'm not saying that's necessarily what in fact happened between Martin and Zimmerman. But the case did show us that's how Florida's law works now. It's not civilized.



The New Yorker recently posted how, in 1938, Abraham Lincoln warned against this sort of lawlessness:

What, Lincoln asked, threatened the well-being of American democracy? Only one thing: vigilante violence, “the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts.” He detailed the epidemic of violence and then located its cause in the need for what we would now call identity politics. Constitutional institutions might be equitable, but they were not lacking in (and it’s striking that Lincoln used exactly this word) “authenticity”—the dry, rational legal system that the revolution had insured could never satisfy Americans’ need for an emotional connection with the past and with each other.

As in most things, President Lincoln was exactly right.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
When was Martin being chased? Being chased would have to involve running away. When was Martin running away? There was no evidence that indicated he was running away...
So now you're saying that Trayvon Martin had a "duty to retreat." Well isn't that special? I guess if Trayvon had been "respectful" and thrown in some "yassuhs," this whole thing would have ended peacefully.


Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle after the dispatcher told him to stop following Martin. Martin didn't have a "duty to retreat" because any perceived threat was removed. He didn't even have to run away. All he had to do was keep walking away from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was walking away from him. Instead he turned around after talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone and went after Zimmerman. With Zimmerman retreating, Martin didn't even have to move. He could have stood his ground until the police arrived. As much as you want this to be about race, it isn't.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle after the dispatcher told him to stop following Martin. Martin didn't have a "duty to retreat" because any perceived threat was removed. He didn't even have to run away. All he had to do was keep walking away from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was walking away from him. Instead he turned around after talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone and went after Zimmerman. With Zimmerman retreating, Martin didn't even have to move. He could have stood his ground until the police arrived. As much as you want this to be about race, it isn't.
You don't know any of this. You weren't there, Martin's dead, and Zimmerman didn't testify.

You are guessing, at best.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Maybe you can give a single example of anyone in the history of the world ever being charged with 'Assault' for following someone in their neighborhood they felt suspicious or even chasing them where no words or actual threatening moves were ever attempted.
I doubt forkushV can do this, because chasing is inherently threatening.

If someone you don't know suddenly starts chasing you in public, you're being threatened. Case closed.



When was Martin being chased? Being chased would have to involve running away. When was Martin running away?
Why are you quoting my post? I didn't say Martin was being chased.

I was responding to alanleroy2's post. That's why I quoted his post, which wasn't about Martin.

I don't know if Martin was chased. Nor do you. Martin's dead, Zimmerman didn't testify, and there were no eyewitnesses.

You're responding before reading.


So your reply showing someone running away in a thread about Martin/Zimmerman didn't imply anything to do with Martin/Zimmerman?

You are running away from your own posts...
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle after the dispatcher told him to stop following Martin. Martin didn't have a "duty to retreat" because any perceived threat was removed. He didn't even have to run away. All he had to do was keep walking away from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was walking away from him. Instead he turned around after talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone and went after Zimmerman. With Zimmerman retreating, Martin didn't even have to move. He could have stood his ground until the police arrived. As much as you want this to be about race, it isn't.
You don't know any of this. You weren't there, Martin's dead, and Zimmerman didn't testify.

You are guessing, at best.


Where in proximity to Zimmerman's vehicle did the physical confrontation and shooting occur?

Zimmerman didn't have to testify in court. The prosecution presented his video testimony that was made to the police. You know, that "can and will be used against you in a court of law" stuff.
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