Why are people not outraged about this?

Only a mental midget would compare this trial to OJ's trial. The police and the DA felt there was a lack of evidence to arrest him and to try him and get a conviction. It was pure political pressure. The prosecution failed miserably in their presentation of evidence, and any jury who is doing their job had to find Zimmerman not guilty based upon what was presented.

On the other hand for OJ, there was no doubt with the DNA evidence and other overwhelming evidence presented at trial that OJ was guilty.

If the glove don’t fit you must acquit.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
His video testimony was presented by the prosecution.
You don't know what testimony is.

In legal contexts like the one we're discussing here, "testimony" is a statement given under oath. What was played to the court was an unsworn interview. Zimmerman wasn't under oath, and wasn't under threat of perjury should it later be shown that his statements were knowingly false. It wasn't testimony, and the jury never saw any testimony about that night from Zimmerman.

No matter how simple I try and make this, I can't find words simple enough for you to understand.

Testimony does not have to be made under oath on the witness stand. If it did, the video would have been inadmissible evidence. It's that old Miranda thing - anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. The jury did see and hear Zimmerman's testimony about what happened that night. The prosecution presented it as evidence. No matter how superior you believe yourself to be, your condescending jabs only show you to be a small person with major self esteem issues.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
It had nothing to do with the 5th amendment
The reason that the prosecution did not force Zimmerman to testify has EVERYTHING to do with the 5th Amendment. Without the 5th Amendment, the government's prosecutors would have called Zimmerman to testify, to impeach him, to elicit inconsistencies between his statement to police and what he says under oath, under threat of perjury, in hopes of perhaps exposing Zimmerman as a liar who concocted the version he told police.

The prosecution could have called Zimmerman to the stand. They didn't. If he was guilty, and his testimony to the police was all lies, surely putting him on the stand and showing him declining to answer any questions would have placed major doubt in the minds or the jurors. Zimmerman told the truth in the video.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
I don't know exactly what happened and never claimed to.
So now you're going to claim you "don't know exactly what happened and never claimed to"? Do I have to quote your words of a couple hours ago back to you?

I guess I do.
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle after the dispatcher told him to stop following Martin. Martin didn't have a "duty to retreat" because any perceived threat was removed. He didn't even have to run away. All he had to do was keep walking away from Zimmerman because Zimmerman was walking away from him. Instead he turned around after talking to his girlfriend on his cell phone and went after Zimmerman.
How can you possibly claim, after that, that you don't know what happened and never claimed to?

If you have even a rudimentary understanding of what just happened in that courtroom, you sure hide it well.

I followed the case from the beginning. I saw, heard and read information about it from the beginning, including the mainstream media deliberate censorship of the 911 call and DOJ participation in organizing protests before charges were filed. Some people not only want racial division in this country, they promote and encourage it. That is what happened with this incident and continues to happen today. Should the DOJ file civil rights criminal charges against Zimmerman, double jeopardy law will be trashed in the name of persecution of a man found not guilty in a court of law. Conviction via agenda based biased media will trump the courtroom.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
The prosecution could have called Zimmerman to the stand.
Prosecutors can compel a defendant to testify? Bob, what country do you live in?


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Testimony does not have to be made under oath on the witness stand. If it did, the video would have been inadmissible evidence.
BobOrme, you don't know what you're talking about.

The statements of a person who willingly speaks to police before being taken into custody, someone who is not being coerced to speak when they do not want to, are admissible. That's the whole point of Miranda. The person has the right to remain silent. But if he or she freely chooses to speak and what they say is relevant to their subsequent criminal prosecution, the prosecutors can present it at trial without violating the Fifth Amendment.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
The prosecution could have called Zimmerman to the stand.
No, it can't.

In the United States, prosecutors cannot force criminal defendants to take the stand.

You don't know what you're talking about.

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Should the DOJ file civil rights criminal charges against Zimmerman, double jeopardy law will be trashed in the name of persecution of a man found not guilty in a court of law.
BobOrme. Seriously. Stop. You don't know what you're talking about.

The State of Florida just had its shot at Zimmerman and lost. Florida's done. Florida's loss, however, didn't affect the Federal Government's right, if DOJ chooses, to try Zimmerman in federal court on federal charges. Two governments, two separate sovereigns.

Under [the Separate Soverign] doctrine, the prohibition on double jeopardy does not prevent dual prosecution when the prosecutions are each by separate sovereigns. Thus, a criminal defendant can be prosecuted by a state court and then by a federal court (or the other way around).

I don't mind that you dislike me. But do yourself a favor and read these resources from Cornell University Law School. They can help you start to know what you're talking about.

Because right now, you don't. At all.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Only a mental midget would compare this trial to OJ's trial...
I wasn't comparing them. Bags said that exoneration by jury was proof of innocence, and I came up with a counterexample that knocked the pins out from under that silliness.

And Roulette Man, your use of "mental midget" is VERY ironic.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
The prosecution could have called Zimmerman to the stand.
Prosecutors can compel a defendant to testify? Bob, what country do you live in?


They could call him to take the stand to testify. They couldn't force him to testify once he was seated. That would be where he could plead the 5th. To refuse taking the stand would be contempt. Using the 5th after taking the stand is a right.
So now you're changing your tune, implicitly acknowledging that prosecutors can't force him to testify, but that the prosecutors could force Zimmerman to march up to the witness stand, sit down, and invoke his 5th Amendment right to silence? Incredible. No defense attorney would ever let such a show take place!

Name one case in the past 50 in the United States where prosecutors got away with that against a represented defendant. It NEVER happens, because they can't.

Hell, prosecutors CAN'T EVEN MENTION that a defendant invoked the Fifth!

If you want to change the subject to things you do know about, like your work on a race car pit crew or at a pool hall, how frustrating your unemployment has been, the increase in the price of drugs you take, fine, I won't know much about those things. You can totally school me on how heavy the gas cans are, or how blue cue chalk is definitely the best (or worst, I really don't know).

But stop talking about this stuff, you don't know what you're talking about here.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Only a mental midget would compare this trial to OJ's trial...
I wasn't comparing them. Bags said that exoneration by jury was proof of innocence, and I came up with a counterexample that knocked the pins out from under that silliness.

And Roulette Man, your use of "mental midget" is VERY ironic.


Bags said that? Where did he say "proof of innocence"?
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
Only a mental midget would compare this trial to OJ's trial...
I wasn't comparing them. Bags said that exoneration by jury was proof of innocence, and I came up with a counterexample that knocked the pins out from under that silliness.

And Roulette Man, your use of "mental midget" is VERY ironic.


Silly you. There you go with your distortions again. The OJ jury were presented overwhelming evidence of guilt and found him innocent. The Zimmerman jury was not presented with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and rightfully acquitted him.

Yes, I would say that mental midget is a perfect description of you. You come up short both physically and mentally.
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