What can the Blackjack dealer say?

   You THINK you know more - just as you do about any and every topic posted in the Forums. I stand by what I have said. I don't argue - I state facts. 

Then verify your 'fact." Or are you afraid to?

I don't play BJ anymore but in the early 2000's, I got asked to leave many times for counting.  Didn't matter if I was winning or losing.  They were more worried I was going to end up in a truly great count and usher in a bunch of whales to the table.  

This isn't that difficult to understand David.  (For most of with a working brain)  

  It is obvious that your play was so noticable that they were onto you immediately, no matter if you were winning or not. Your eviction is/was the exception - if you are counting AND losing they will let most counters continue to play and lose. Is that too difficult to understand?

Uhhhh, David dear boy...no, that's not true at all. Counters are backed off when their counting is detected, regardless of their results. You also said that people are backed off simply for winning, which is such a ridiculous statement, it doesn't even bear repeating.

I dealt blackjack for eight years, and played at a professional level for another 20, but yeah, David, you know more than I do about the game.

I suggest that you slink away and stop embarrassing yourself. But I know you'll respond with another juvenile insult.

To anyone reading this thread: I dealt in Vegas and Reno for eight years, and at no time was simply winning ever used as a reason for a player to get thrown out. I did see counters get thrown out--only a couple at my table--regardless of how well they were doing. The two that got tossed from my table were getting massacred, actually.

They look for large bet variations, the first tipoff being that they always bet the minimum off the top of the deck/shoe and then escalate their bets as the subsequent hands are dealt. That's an easily discernible pattern, and concealing it is a major element of being a successful counter.

I never got backed off, even though I kind of expected it--occupational hazard. But I used a fair amount of camouflage, such as Basic Strategy errors that didn't cost that much but looked like I had arrived from the funny farm (like splitting 3s against an Ace with a deep negative count), occasional big bets off the top of the shoe (which, after all, only cost 1/200th of that bet), drinks that had no alcohol in them but I said loudly that they did, and above all, not looking studious or serious--joking and laughing with the other players and the dealer, etc.

I was fortunate in that from my seven card stud days, I could scan a whole table and note every card that was exposed. I didn't have to frown and scrutinize everything. (I remember dealing to one counter whose lips were actually moving as he kept track of the running count; I'm sure he didn't realize it. But I couldn't resist joking/warning him: at one point, he was about to make a hit/stand decision, and I murmured, so softly that only he could hear me, "Plus 3 true." He looked up in shock, drew, busted, and practically sprinted away.)

The effect you mentioned is prevalent: they might think that you're a "spotter." However, most of the time, a spotter always bets the minimum. So if you were varying your bets at all, they would probably not have thought you were part of a team.

If you want some interesting stuff to view, check out YouTube for the adventures of a Brit counter in the US as part of a team. He sometimes got backed off after playing one or two hands, but he was ultimately successful, exploiting the fact that the Native casinos don't always share information.

Jerry, the guy's name is Steven Bridges. I think you might find his videos very entertaining.

We were really stupid.  A bunch of post college guys in their 20s not drinking, moving our bets perfectly with true counts, etc.  Hardly joking around.  We did sit at different tables usually but we got asked to leave in at least 10 casinos.  Mainly on the strip in the late 90s actually it was.  (Once at gold coast)  The casino was never very rude as long as we just cashed out.  The just said "BJ is not available to you for the rest of the day, please try our slots, etc."  We did get a few pit bosses asking us to leave and gave us free buffets to go eat instead.  We kind of took our oustings as a badge of honor.  We were only betting like $5-$40 and hardly ever $30-40.  But then right back to $5 on the shuffle so it wasn't hard to spot.  

And yes David, many times we were losing when it happened.  We got kicked out just as many times up on the session as down on the session.  (I know this is way over your head but try to comprehend it)  

There was a period of a couple of years, which I found out about almost too late, when Western Village dealt single-deck with Reno rules (double on hard 10 or 11 only). The table limits were $2-50. I bet $2 off the top and $50 in all +2 or better counts. No one cared. There was decent penetration and oddly, the tables were almost never full, even on a Friday night. 

Obviously, that didn't generate massive revenue for me, but I was making about $30 an hour and they always wrote me a steak house comp. As we so often say, those were the days.

 They asked you to leave even though you were losing because you were too obvious and they knew that is was just a matter of time when you would be winning. Apparently that thought was and still is "over your head".