About Getting IDs - It isn't easy like conservatives claim.

Well, it seems there is a contingent of bleeding hearts who believe not all people should be required to do things that others have to do, such as obtain documents required for identification.   Some suggest (or imply they believe) that Black people as a race do not have the mental or physical ability to get an ID (which I do not believe one bit).  

Most everyone knows that a general election for President occurs every four years...plenty of time toplan, to get the resources together, including transportation by family, friends, neighbors, churches, low cost public transportation, Care Links (in my area), many choices.   There are other elections during the year for which going to the polls will be desirable, but again, there is usually time to plan for those.   Early voting compounds the simplicity of it if one pays attention and learns when and where they can go to vote and avoid long voting lines on election day.  This is much easier than absentee voting in many cases, depending on how many hoops one has to jump through to get a ballot, fill it out correctly, submit it to the proper station, etc.

Most of us know that a state ID is not the same as REAL ID, though both require making some effort to acquire both.   I was as flustered as others my first time for getting the REAL ID.  At the time they said REAL ID would be required to board a plane by Sept. of 2020, so even though I could have just done the usual DL, I wanted the REAL ID.  It was an inconvenience to have to drive home to get the five required documents.   THEN an irritation to have to drive back home and return again because the utility bill I brought was in my husband's name...oops.  The next time around I will be better informed and hopefully have all necessary documents in one trip.  That's how life works.  You may mess up the first time, but you learn and apply that learning the next time.

Luckily I lived fairly close to a DMV, but the hoop jumping was new.   Isn't almost anything you do at DMV a bit of hoop jumping?  I digress.

Candy

NYC which is a pretty large urban area has 21 DMV offices. You can even make reservations. 

Once you get a license/id you never have to back. 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Candy, anyone who objects to discrimination and social injustice is a "bleeding heart." That's an epithet that conservatives use to hide the fact that their hearts are made of stone. It's also a cover for racism and racist policies. The 60s civil rights activists were called "bleeding hearts" back then, too. Even at that time, evil conservatives couldn't say directly that they were against civil rights (though they definitely were precisely that). So they would mock and belittle those who fought for those rights.

I'm so glad to see that you've taken up that torch, Candy. Yep, yep, yep, only "bleeding hearts" object to voter suppression. Definitely. Goddamn woke liberals. They want to turn America SOOOOOCIALIST and Hillary sent emails! Trump won the election by sixty trillion votes!!! Etc. etc. etc.

And to point out your ignorance on the matter--showing ID in order to be able to vote is NOT "something that others have to do." In most non-Neanderthal states, the basic requirement is that you're registered and your signature is on file. Your signature, matched with that which is on file, is what validates your ballot.

Now, precisely what the fuck is wrong with that simple verification system? (I know. It lets too many of them uppity darkies vote.)

That's roughly one office for every 400,000 people. Granted, not all of them are drivers, but still...actually not a lot.

When I lived in California, I learned to pretty much kiss off an entire morning or afternoon if I had to go to the DMV. Then I allowed for the at least even-money possibility that I lacked some random document or stamp or certificate and would have to come back later and wait in line all over again. Then, of course, I would have to pony up substantial fees for whatever I was being forced to do.

The blithe assertions that it's easy to get an ID card ignore the document, time, and expense requirements. Not everyone has the means, time, money, and transportation to kill a day at the DMV and give them their baksheesh. Just because it's relatively easy for one person doesn't mean it is for another.

Just a side note: in Oregon, the DMV is a quick and almost painless experience. It's also a lot cheaper than elsewhere. It was downright refreshing, the first time I registered my car here. (Not only that, but when you do so, it's for two years, not one, thus cutting your required visits by half.)

People who drive cars and fly on airplanes don't have to do ANYTHING whatsoever to get a voter ID.

People who don't, do. Sometimes a lot.

Prove me wrong.

If these new voter suppression laws affected only a dozen people nationwide, they would still be wrong, immoral, unAmerican, and illegal. So how many folks are actually affected doesn't enter into it.

Does a driver's license work to vote?

Kevin, I've never taken unemloyment, even though unemployed twice.  I've never accepted food stamps.  I split the cost of college with my parents, which I also did with my kids.  Now tell me what I've accepted that's free.  Song and dance to follow.

People who drive cars and fly on airplanes don't have to do ANYTHING whatsoever to get a voter ID. 

People who don't, do. Sometimes a lot. 

Prove me wrong.

I've already explained that to you at least a dozen times. You've been mooching off the federal government all your life. You scurry away whenever I explain to you exactly how. So, no mas.