About Getting IDs - It isn't easy like conservatives claim.

Here's the bottom line. Mandatory ID requirements don't affect 99% of voters. But if 1% of voters are affected, that's still unfair.

What our resident conservitards don't seem to understand is that the issue isn't how easy or difficult it is to obtain a picture ID. Yes, it's easy for most people. But I don't want most of my fellow citizens to be able to vote. I don't want 99%, or 99.9%, to be able to vote. I want 100% of them to be able to vote. All of them. And there are some, however many or few, who can't get a picture ID, regardless of how easy that may be for you, or me, or Boilerboob, or Tommie-poo.

My God, are our resident conservitards so thick as to not understand that simple concept? Every citizen should be able to vote, and with as few obstacles as possible. That's democracy, and antithetical to the views of our RepubliQ buddies.

Mister is another one who is unwilling to learn.  The requirements in every state are exactly the same to get a new drivers license and to get a new ID.  I've posted requirements for both, and Mister is claiming that the two identical forms are different.

These are the same guys who still claim that Trump colluded with Russia.  They are presented with evidence, and they just refuse to learn.

Before the 2020 election, Georgia matched every envelope signature to every voter ID card.  In 2020, without the consent of the Georgia legislature, they began matching envelope signatures to the signature on the mail in ballot request, if actually done at all.  Anyone can request a mail-in ballot.  The voter identity is confirmed when a voter ID card is obtained.  Huge difference.

Discarding the signed envelopes makes any audit impossible.   Why would anyone want a process that is impossible to audit? 

Somehow, a voter needs to be identified as a registered voter when voting.  The process is even more difficult, yet critical, when the voter is not physically present to vote.   

Oh, you mean when it comes to voter ID, people without driver's licenses start at the starting line, and people who already have driver's licenses start at the finish line. That's what I thought you said.

So who is most likely to win the race?

Let's cut to the chase. Regardless of what procedures are used, how often do you think someone casts a fraudulent vote? How often does someone commit at least three felonies in order to have an extra vote? That would be real party loyalty, to commit multiple crimes, each punishable by years in prison, in order to up the vote count by one! And let's not forget, the ballot would be an incriminating paper trail. Now let's consider how likely it is that said fraudulent ballot would ever be counted as legitimate.

So the real question to ask, without kicking back and forth the issue of how easy or difficult it is to get ID, is: why put these restrictions in place at all? They're attempts to solve a nonexistent "problem." And yes, I know the RepubliQ conservitards appear to really believe that shit that Trump has spewed regarding the election having been "stolen." The ones who know that that's nonsense have been climbing aboard the Trump train, because it might help them retain power. So the nationwide voter suppression moves have been a combination of stupidity and cynicism.

You're misstating the procedures to authenticate mail-in ballots in Georgia, but I don't want to debate it. I just ask the question: how likely is this to result in significant voter fraud? The answer is, despite what the Trumper RepubliQs say: extremely unlikely.

But Trump was willing to say that millions of his fellow citizens were cheats and liars. Is that your position as well?

Requirements to get a new drivers license is identical to the requirements for getting a voter ID.  I've posted links to both and they are identical.

Mister, you appear to be claiming that these requirements are different, yet I've supplied proof to the contrary.  If you have evidence to refute my position, why don't you do so?

Voter ID is $5 here, a few fewer documents required than DL.  DL costs more, I forget how much but good for 8 years.  Don't know how long a Voter ID is good for.   Same process though, as far as going to a DMV office.  Oh, the horror.  

Who can't make it to Walmart?  Or the bank, or church, or a casino?  

Candy

But according to you, just showing up at one of those places isn't enough. You have to bring multiple documents, and money.

Because I'm not a conservative, I'm able to examine issues in depth. So I understand that there are some people who can't scrape together all the various requirements. A homeless person, for example. Who is nonetheless a citizen.

But let's stipulate that it is indeed easy to get a picture ID. That said, SOME people won't have one. However few that is, is it moral or ethical to disenfranchise them? Maybe it's only 1,000 people nationwide? Isn't that still wrong?

Tell me, Candy. Is it OK to take away the rights of "only" a few people? All just to feed the RepubliQ fantasy of "stolen" elections???

Nonsense, Boiler; you're lying. Obviously, to get a driver's license, you have to meet requirements that aren't mandated to get a voter ID.

I'll explain in short words that maybe--just maybe--Boiler can understand:

To get driver's license, you need learn rules and take paper test. You need to show man you can drive good. You need to show other man you can see good. Then you pay lady money. They take picture.

God, Boiler is dense.

Wow Kevin, what a compelling argument you deliver.  If getting an ID takes any effort, then that that is too much to expect.