Originally posted by: MisterPicture
Okay, student IDs, library cards, and passports will be acceptable identification. Everyone else has to spend time in line at some government office. And all those old folks who signed up for vote-by-mail have to show up in person. Are you cool with that?
Actually I am. Just not the libary cards.
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33
Actually I am. Just not the libary cards.
Cool! We agree on something!
So politicians who appeal to suburban and rural voters who almost all have cars - and licenses - would not have an advantage over those living in cities. Thanks.
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33
That was Kevin's discription PJ.
Honestly, can't we all agree voter ID would make some sense? Put the sides away. You need it to fly, drive, etc. I would think something as important as voting it would apply as well.
Here's what's wrong with your reasoning. We need licenses (not identification per se, though such licenses do serve as de facto identification) to be able to drive or fly, because driving or flying on public ways is a privilege. Voting, by contrast, is a right. We don't need voting licenses.
Any urge to impose voter ID restrictions ignores the fact that the most significant part of the process is actually voter registration. THAT is when the prospective voter provides his bona fides, such as birthplace and residency. So if the RepubliQ really cares about keeping elections safe (they really don't, but...), they should focus on the voter registration process.
I'd just ask you and the RepubliQ this. If voter ID requirements keep legally registered to vote citizens from voting, does that bother you? Even if someone can't present ID, what's wrong with letting them file a provisional ballot that will be matched with the signature that is on file (or discarded, if that can't be done)? What's the harm?
(And please don't go on with the conspiracy theory blather about trillions of fraudulent votes blah blah.)
More bullshit
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
What part of the line items in my last answer was unclear to you?
All of the methodology Democtrats implemented and Republicans have now reeled in increased voter turnout. Thats not my opinion. Thats demonstrable fact by statisitics and voter polls. Getting rid of those things has the oppossitte impact.
Explain to me how thats wrong - understanding any argument you give would run contrary to those stats.
So lets ask - What problem is Texas fixing by reducing drop off boxes, limiting early voting or stopping drive thru voting? Show me one single instance where that resulted in the bullshit voter fraud the crybaby you voted for keeps lying about. One instance.
And explain to me how a state legislature or partisan appointee is more fair at counting votes than a bi-partisan committee. Are you going to keep dodging that one?
Republicans cant win when people show up on election day. They know it. So they try to stop it. They're sleazy that way.
I ask PJ about the shortening of early turnout voting and what he doesn't like about the rule changes. He never mentions that the time is too short for even the most stupid Libs to get their vote in. Since 6-8 weeks early voting doesn't bother you, what does bother you about early voting rules?
PJ claims that it's a fact that GOP policies lowered the Democrat vote? That's an interesting fact since it was a record Democrat vote. Apparantly, GOP policies cause Democrat votes to increase.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
I gave you a list of items. You ran away from all of them except one. I guess thats the only one you think you have a leg to stand on? But here you go: 6 weeks of early voting is less time than 8 weeks. SO, yes, its more restricitive. What other obvious question can I answer? Or does that math not work for you?
Now - Are you going to step up to the plate and show me the voter fraud that is being addressed by any of the line items I listed....or defend the partisan vote counters? Or can you just admit all of these action were passed by a bunch of crybaby losers who want to change the rules so they can win next time?
thanks for stopping by
I didn't run away from anything. I wasn't going to go through the entire list of your ridiculous positions. I didn't even read past your first complaint..............early voting. You ran away from the only position I bothered to address because your argument holds no water. Why would I bother with the others?
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
I gave you a list of items. You ran away from all of them except one. I guess thats the only one you think you have a leg to stand on? But here you go: 6 weeks of early voting is less time than 8 weeks. SO, yes, its more restricitive. What other obvious question can I answer? Or does that math not work for you?
Now - Are you going to step up to the plate and show me the voter fraud that is being addressed by any of the line items I listed....or defend the partisan vote counters? Or can you just admit all of these action were passed by a bunch of crybaby losers who want to change the rules so they can win next time?
thanks for stopping by
I didn't run away from anything. I wasn't going to go through the entire list of your ridiculous positions. I didn't even read past your first complaint..............early voting. You ran away from the only position I bothered to address because your argument holds no water. Why would I bother with the others?
I had the courage to answer your question... you didn't have the courage to address mine. So let's just leave it at that. I explained how shortened early vote periods cut voter participation. You didn't disagree you just called the impacted voters losers...and then hid under a rock for everything else I mentioned. Is anyone surprised?
oh, and Since GOP policies were passed AFTER the election I don't know how you conclude they impacted the election turnout that preceded them. Who is being ridiculous now?
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Here's what's wrong with your reasoning. We need licenses (not identification per se, though such licenses do serve as de facto identification) to be able to drive or fly, because driving or flying on public ways is a privilege. Voting, by contrast, is a right. We don't need voting licenses.
Any urge to impose voter ID restrictions ignores the fact that the most significant part of the process is actually voter registration. THAT is when the prospective voter provides his bona fides, such as birthplace and residency. So if the RepubliQ really cares about keeping elections safe (they really don't, but...), they should focus on the voter registration process.
I'd just ask you and the RepubliQ this. If voter ID requirements keep legally registered to vote citizens from voting, does that bother you? Even if someone can't present ID, what's wrong with letting them file a provisional ballot that will be matched with the signature that is on file (or discarded, if that can't be done)? What's the harm?
(And please don't go on with the conspiracy theory blather about trillions of fraudulent votes blah blah.)
It would create 10 trillion provisional ballots to count even longer. It would be a disaster.
I'm just against all the mail-in garbage and ballot harvesting going on 6-8 weeks prior. And yes, that is the left that is primarily doing the latter. I simply don't see why people can't get their crap together and vote on election day. (We can make an exception for people truly traveling) Neither side wants all this counting days and days after - well, I think you don't.
Here's my layup prediciton:
Republicans will be doing a complete 180 on their sudden oppossition to mail in voting. HIstorically senior citizens were the primary users of this voting method - and thats a demographic that lagely favors Republicans.
This past election it went the other way because Democrats actually listened to Dr Fauci and the CDC and decided to socially distance themselves and vote by mail. That was a one off.
Next election you'll see it mostly going back to seniors again and Republicans will realize all the mail-in-voting restrictions they've passed are disproportionately impacting their own voters.
And then all the voter-mail fraud they've been complaining about suddenly wont exist anymore and they'll lossen their BS restrictions.
You heard it here first. Stay tuned.
