Boiler, I have found out additional information about that first Indiana case.
From the Indiana Department Of Health:
On March 6, ISDH confirmed the first case of COVID-19 in a Hoosier with recent travel. ISDH reported the second presumptive positive case of COVID-19 in the state on March 8.
So they tested him because of his travel.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
If he utters one peep of criticism of Trump, he'll be fired in a heartbeat, and he knows it. If he's truly an expert, he realizes that Trump's incompetent response to the coronavirus resulted in its nationwide spread. Is he going to say so? Of course not. Trump axes anyone who even mildly suggests that the bigly genius didn't do something correctly.
I'm sure that he would have strongly recommended the urgent production of test kits and the setup of mechanisms for lab testing and quarantine had he been consulted two months ago. Now, he's saying no problem, no big deal, because he knows he'd be out of a job if he pointed out the magnitude of the mess.
Trump's most recent statements confirm that he doesn't care about all the deaths that have resulted and will result from his inaction; all he cares about is how the coronavirus has affected his poll numbers. That might be the only positive aspect of all this, in fact--maybe five or six rabid Trumpers will make a frowny face at him at the next hate rally. Maybe.
If only Hillary Clinton were President! She would have responded instantly, thoroughly, and competently, and we would have had few or no deaths from the coronavirus. Trumpers, you helped seal the doom of the victims. MAGAMAGAMAGA*gasp*choke*wheeze*THUD*
So your solution is to test all 375 million Americans if they are showing symptoms or not? Logistically this would take years. It also would'nt do any good since someone could test negative and then catch it the next day and need to be retested. It also is probabaly against the 4th amendment. I think if you think logically you'd see the way Trumps advisers want it done makes the most sense. I think Hillary would have been smart enough to also use this method.
Originally posted by: Rightdownthemiddle
So your solution is to test all 375 million Americans if they are showing symptoms or not? Logistically this would take years. It also would'nt do any good since someone could test negative and then catch it the next day and need to be retested. It also is probabaly against the 4th amendment. I think if you think logically you'd see the way Trumps advisers want it done makes the most sense. I think Hillary would have been smart enough to also use this method.
Actually, it could be done fairly quickly. Think back to how quickly the population was vaccinated when measles, mumps, TB, polio, etc. vaccines became available. Today, we have much better logistics and technology. The coronavirus test could be administered with about the same degree of commitment and effort. And yes, labs would be backed up for a while. That's why the Trump administration should have prepared for this two months ago.
The benefit of testing would be to enable the isolation of those who are carrying the virus. And yes, I think that quarantine should be mandatory. A person would have to be quite an irresponsible jerkwad to know he is infected and go out in public, and that should be illegal just as and for the same reason as driving down the wrong side of the freeway is illegal.
I don't think the Fourth Amendment would come up except among the Cliven Bundy types--after all, wouldn't a reasonable person want to know if he/she is infected?--but there wouldn't be much risk in letting those few people refuse to be tested. The government should pay for all testing. Period.
Trump's advisors do have a logical and reasonable plan, given the lateness of Trump's response and the near-impossibility of containment at this point. The question now is whether Trump will fuck that up somehow. He spent all weekend running around raving about the CDC, CNN, the Democrats, "hoaxes," and how liberals made up the coronavirus in order to make him look bad. He has quite a few bolts not torqued down.
More stupidity from Kevin. -- Bitch and moan, point the finger, spew filth .
Originally posted by: David Miller
More stupidity from Kevin. -- Bitch and moan, point the finger, spew filth .
What you say means nothing. You are nothing. What do you think you are accomplishing with your childishness?
Pointing out your stupidity and lies is what is being accomplished. You are the child, throwing tantrums whenever confronted with your own liberal insanity. And you are obviously too stupid to realize what an idiot you are.
Originally posted by: Rightdownthemiddle
So your solution is to test all 375 million Americans if they are showing symptoms or not? Logistically this would take years. It also would'nt do any good since someone could test negative and then catch it the next day and need to be retested. It also is probabaly against the 4th amendment. I think if you think logically you'd see the way Trumps advisers want it done makes the most sense. I think Hillary would have been smart enough to also use this method.
And you think the right policy is to only have tested about 6,500 people at this point? Those firefighters/first responders that took the call to the nursing home in Seattle where all those patients died still haven't been tested, but are under quarantine. The CDC said today we have already lost containment in parts of the country and that is because there wasn't testing and isolation. I guess in you mind that sort of failure is acceptable. We also hit 1,000+ cases tonight.
Originally posted by: Mark
Boiler, I have found out additional information about that first Indiana case.
From the Indiana Department Of Health:
On March 6, ISDH confirmed the first case of COVID-19 in a Hoosier with recent travel. ISDH reported the second presumptive positive case of COVID-19 in the state on March 8.
So they tested him because of his travel.
Yes, he traveled to Boston. He works for Biogen and was at a corporate meeting with an infected person. There are now two infected people in the Indianapolis are who are sick after attending this meeting.
Here is what the CDC says about testing, and who should be tested.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/guidelines-clinical-specimens.html
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here is what the CDC says about testing, and who should be tested.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/guidelines-clinical-specimens.html
But according to Trump, he knows much more than they do and it's all FAKE NOOZE and a liberal hoax. He put Fluffy Attack Dog Pence, who doesn't believe in science, in charge. Neither of them would be able to read the report from the CDC you provided, much less implement its recommendations.
This crisis will only abate when scientists, not incompetent self-serving politicians, are in charge of the efforts to address it. Trump should self-quarantine in the White House bunker and not come out again until the coronavirus is eradicated. Pence should go back to his role of serving Trump snacks and polishing his shoes.
