Conservitards are all about their rights and their bodies...

Taking his figures as accurate (always a stretch, but...),

 

Once again TK shows his 3rd grade reading level.  The stats come from PJ's own link .   

 

Charter Schools vs Public school performance " The most rigorous studies conducted to date have found that charter schools are not, on average, better or worse in student performance than the traditional public school counterparts. This average result, however, obscures tremendous variation between individual charter schools and charter schools in different states.

 

PJ should use more current information.  This study is from almost 20 years ago.  NYC charter schools outperform the conventional schools by wide margins.  Indiana also outperforms.

 

 

I won't bother to point out to stupid Tommie-poo the self-selection bias in his "statistics." He wouldn't even understand what I mean.

 

Stupid Tommie-poo may have had actual reasoning ability at one point, but good God, not now--not any more.

My education has allowed me to earn a living which far exceed what Kevin has earned.  Kevin has better grammer skills than I do.  Kevin is angry at every business that offers a business model that he can't afford.  I can't afford many business offerings, but unlike Kevin, I don't hate those who offer.

 

Kevin, you're a stange and twisted little man.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

The parents of children at 130 (and more coming) Indiana charter schools and 50,000 students agree that these charter schools offer their children an improved learning environment.  PJ and other Libs believe that they know better and that that Liberal administrators should be left in charge of the failed system that they have delivered.  It's obvious that Libs do not want to give parents/children a choice.  Libs believe that we just need more of the failed policy.

 

PJ complains that poor and brown children are in crappy schools, then PJ complains when 50,000 of these children are allowed to move to a good schools.  How Liberal of you.

 

In Indiana, low and middle income kids can take their public school money to any school.............those called Charter or othe private schools, Catholic, for example.  This had grown dramatically over the past decade.


My data showed they aren't "good schools".  Thats the bullshit, MIke Pence sales pitch he and Republicans use to push students into Charter Schools so they can make Bible Study part of the curiculum.

 

Charter schools dont educate students better than public schools.   Well funded schools of either public or private create better educated students....   The good private schools in red states aren't eligible for inner city charter vouchers.   They have shitty charter schools for those kids....and usually they are small and lack extra-curicular programs like sports, arts, and music.

 

 


Originally posted by: Boilerman

My education has allowed me to earn a living which far exceed what Kevin has earned.  Kevin has better grammer skills than I do.  Kevin is angry at every business that offers a business model that he can't afford.  I can't afford many business offerings, but unlike Kevin, I don't hate those who offer.

 

Kevin, you're a stange and twisted little man.


I don't share your ugly beliefs, and in fact, find them abhorrent.

 

I assume that a Proud Boy would consider me "strange and twisted" as well for my opinion that Jews are human. Or a Ku Kluxer would consider me such for saying that Blacks should be afforded civil rights.

 

And measure of a person's worth to society by how much money they make...? That means that Boiler's mom is worthless, because she wasted her most productive years raising her kids and now only earns Social Security.

Originally posted by: tom

Taking his figures as accurate (always a stretch, but...),

 

Once again TK shows his 3rd grade reading level.  The stats come from PJ's own link .   

 

Charter Schools vs Public school performance " The most rigorous studies conducted to date have found that charter schools are not, on average, better or worse in student performance than the traditional public school counterparts. This average result, however, obscures tremendous variation between individual charter schools and charter schools in different states.

 

PJ should use more current information.  This study is from almost 20 years ago.  NYC charter schools outperform the conventional schools by wide margins.  Indiana also outperforms.

 

 


I notice you didnt provide any information to back up your statement.   Is anyone surprised?  And we know what that means, right Tom?    Is May 2022 recent enough to counter your statement that you made up?

 

Charter Schools vs Public Schools

"Charter schools get overwhelmingly positive press and make a lot of claims about their success. But actually, numerous studies confirm that their achievement is indistinguishable from that of traditional public schools. Some are very successful, some are troubled and struggling, and the rest are somewhere in between just like traditional public schools."

 

The funny thing is - Charter schools dont have to take the really dysfunctional kids.   Public schools do.   And despite the massive skew in student population Charter schools dont do any better. 

 

 

Gee, I can think of an obvious reason why NYC charter schools might outperform NYC public schools: because NYC has a LOT of wealthy/affluent people who can afford to send their kids there, and pay those schools' high tuition, which means that those schools have more resources per student; and at the same time, NYC has a LOT of impoverished residents, who can't afford to send their kids to charter schools, and ALL of their kids wind up in the public school system. Comparing the two systems' performance is like holding a race between two runners, one of whom has his ankles chained together.

 

Stupid Tommie-poo, supposedly a resident of New York City, continually cites "statistics" that apply to NYC as if they should apply to the rest of the country and any comparison between, say, NYC and the state of Indiana is somehow valid or meaningful. And that's stupid, even for stupid Tommie-poo.

The funny thing is - Charter schools dont have to take the really dysfunctional kids. Public schools do.

 

Not sure of other states, but in NY they do.  Students are chosen by lottery & they still outperform NYC public schools,

 

Charter Schools vs Public Schools

 

It might be better than to use a NEA study which is an arm of the teachers unions.

 

How about this non-biased study from Harvard

 

https://cepr.harvard.edu/news/new-study-massachusetts-charter-schools#:~:text=Researchers%20from%20the%20Harvard%20Graduate%20School%20of%20Education%2C,at%20both%20the%20middle%20and%20high%20school%20levels.

I can think of an obvious reason why NYC charter schools might outperform NYC public schools: because NYC has a LOT of wealthy/affluent people who can afford to send their kids there, and pay those schools' high tuition,

 

TK shows his ignorance of the subject.  Charter schools are public schools & thus are tuition free.   Students are chosen by lottery.  Income has nothing to do with it.  There is a wait list of 163,000. https://www.studentsfirstny.org/charter_school_waitlist

 

Charter schools frequently located in the same building as the traditional school & in the same district in NYC consistently outperform the traditional public schools https://newyork.town.news/g/new-york-ny/n/62822/study-charter-schools-nyc-outperform-public-schools

 

50,000 Indiana parents disagree with PJ, and PJ doesn't believe that these parents and their children should have a choice.  Why...........because Libs always know best, even when they don't.

 

And never......ever put value on a Lib generated study of charter schools.  Why, you ask?  We'll, because these are the same folks who lie about the cost of wind and solar power.  You have NEVER read a solar/wind power story produced by Libs that includes the cost of the back up power plant.  Just check to see how California is doing with that cheap wind and solar.  The more they get, the higher the power prices.

 

Kevin won't know how to do this, but I suggest that the interested reader Google electricity cost by state and you'll see just how expensive California's free renewable electricity actually costs.

Edited on May 14, 2022 4:42am
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