Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Tom, did you ever find the details of the 80 trillion dollar Green New deal you told us Democrats sponcered?
Let us know when you find them - and then we can resume our discussion about posters who lie on this board.
Pj - try googling cost of green new deal & you will get plenty of articles to review.
I am still waiting for the date of the poll you posted yesterday.
Originally posted by: tom
Pj - try googling cost of green new deal & you will get plenty of articles to review.
I am still waiting for the date of the poll you posted yesterday.
And since you are too embarrassed to cite your source we have all the information we need.
This is Good time to start getting your "Obamacare death-panel" talking points in order for the next administration....oh, and lecture about other posters' honesty here.
Have an 80 trillion dollar day.
I didn't pick up on the distinction between "incorrect" as Tom wrote and "rejected", as I wrote. Tom is correct as regards the reasons a ballot may be rejected for certain errors.
Presenting an ID at the polling place is not required in my red state. In decades past there were no objections to presenting an ID, but these days there is so much sensitivity about identifying oneself that some louder voices (ACLU, etc.) prevailed at some point and the governor said "let them vote" despite refusal to present an ID. I assume the same will be on Nov. 3rd.
I suspect that requiring an ID is one way to prevent one from voting multiple times. But how many of those could make a difference in a presidential election? Like rejected ballots, not enough to sway a presidental election.
Life isn't perfect. If one doesn't get his ballot submitted in time to correct errors, that is his fault, not the fault of the system or political party. I'm tired of excuses. I make the effort. The majority of people make the effort. Coverage of an upcoming pres election is all over the place, you can't get away from it. You know what you must do. Jammed voting machines, lines of voters cut off at the closing hour, they should have done early voting. I'm out of sympathy.
I mailed my ballot today.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
I mailed my ballot today.
Then according to Trump, your vote was fraudulent.
Originally posted by: tom
Pj - try googling cost of green new deal & you will get plenty of articles to review.
I am still waiting for the date of the poll you posted yesterday.
Try understanding the cost of NOT implementing the Green New Deal.
Way, way too deep a concept for you, I imagine.
And just so you know, Tom---you aren't entitled to demand anything from anyone here.
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
I didn't pick up on the distinction between "incorrect" as Tom wrote and "rejected", as I wrote. Tom is correct as regards the reasons a ballot may be rejected for certain errors.
Presenting an ID at the polling place is not required in my red state. In decades past there were no objections to presenting an ID, but these days there is so much sensitivity about identifying oneself that some louder voices (ACLU, etc.) prevailed at some point and the governor said "let them vote" despite refusal to present an ID. I assume the same will be on Nov. 3rd.
I suspect that requiring an ID is one way to prevent one from voting multiple times. But how many of those could make a difference in a presidential election? Like rejected ballots, not enough to sway a presidental election.
Life isn't perfect. If one doesn't get his ballot submitted in time to correct errors, that is his fault, not the fault of the system or political party. I'm tired of excuses. I make the effort. The majority of people make the effort. Coverage of an upcoming pres election is all over the place, you can't get away from it. You know what you must do. Jammed voting machines, lines of voters cut off at the closing hour, they should have done early voting. I'm out of sympathy.
Early voting isn't allowed everywhere. Specifically, seven states do not allow mail-in OR early voting. They are all dead-red states, except for one that could be considered purple. Coincidence?
Furthermore, many of the states that do allow early or mail-in voting do not actually process the ballots (as in, opening them, verifying signatures, etc.) until it is far too late to send them back for corrections.
The remedy you state, of submitting a ballot as early as possible, works in most states. It does not work in many Trumper states wherein active voter suppression efforts are in effect. We don't know how many of those states will rip the results out of the hands of their voters and turn them over to Republican legislatures and/or governors to determine who the "winner" really is.
You make a very good point, that fraudulent/inaccurate/duplicate/otherwise incorrect ballots make an infinitesimal difference in elections. Remember the goon squad that Trump set up early in 2017 to investigate election fraud? It found sixteen instances of fraud. Sixteen. A wee bit shy of the three million that the Orange Liar stated.
FWIW, I live in Oregon, and I dropped my ballot in the mail a while ago. Easy.
Parenthetically---Trump says that mail-in ballots are fraudulent. Does he even realize that 25% of the ballots cast in the 2016 Presidential election were mailed in? That means that approximately fifteen million of the votes cast for Trump were fraudulent!!!!! LOL!
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
I didn't pick up on the distinction between "incorrect" as Tom wrote and "rejected", as I wrote. Tom is correct as regards the reasons a ballot may be rejected for certain errors.
Presenting an ID at the polling place is not required in my red state. In decades past there were no objections to presenting an ID, but these days there is so much sensitivity about identifying oneself that some louder voices (ACLU, etc.) prevailed at some point and the governor said "let them vote" despite refusal to present an ID. I assume the same will be on Nov. 3rd.
I suspect that requiring an ID is one way to prevent one from voting multiple times. But how many of those could make a difference in a presidential election? Like rejected ballots, not enough to sway a presidental election.
Life isn't perfect. If one doesn't get his ballot submitted in time to correct errors, that is his fault, not the fault of the system or political party. I'm tired of excuses. I make the effort. The majority of people make the effort. Coverage of an upcoming pres election is all over the place, you can't get away from it. You know what you must do. Jammed voting machines, lines of voters cut off at the closing hour, they should have done early voting. I'm out of sympathy.
In 2016 New Hampshire's electoral college votes were decided with just over 2,700 votes difference. Voting multiple times can quickly make the results if that is all the difference in the end.
Originally posted by: Marty
In 2016 New Hampshire's electoral college votes were decided with just over 2,700 votes difference. Voting multiple times can quickly make the results if that is all the difference in the end.
IF those multiple votes are indeed counted--which they almost never are, given the thorough examination that all ballots are subjected to.
You are also hypothesizing that 2,700 people in New Hampshire would commit election fraud, which is at least three separate felonies, all of which are punishable by long prison sentences and huge fines. Or should I say, yuge fines.
Vanishingly unlikely. Even if Trumpie-poo says otherwise.
100,000 incorrect ballots were mailed. The governor & others are arguing how to correct this.
What could go wrong?
