Hydroxychloroquine A Case Study: When A Presidential Hoax Kills

Originally posted by: rdwoodpecker

That is total bullshit! The folks they gave the hydrocloquin where on the worst of cases, being inahabated.

you must give the drug combo before being the “last hope”!

France doctors and not your self-appointed doctors have very successful results with over 1000 patients!

 

The total bullshit that is spread by CNN and our resident liberals need to confirm a few facts, but that is not what they do!


If you read my posts, you will see there were three different studies. A forth one is getting ready to drop from New York. 

 

Trump promoted snake oil. The government's medical professionals were forced to work on this when they could have been pursuing legitimate treatments and vaccines.  

They're all running away from it now:   Dr Trump, Dr Oz, Dr DoLittle 

All the medical experts that brought it to you in the first place.   And if history is any guide references to their previous statements condoning it will be called fake news.   Even the ones on video.

Edited on Apr 23, 2020 6:44am

The real tragedy is the time wasted. We'll never know how many additional lives were lost by this diversion, but it has to be a substantial number.

 

And all because the Orange Asshole, egged on by Fox News, pulled something out of his ass because if it miraculously worked, he could claim that "he" had defeated the coronavirus.

Edited on Apr 23, 2020 9:09am

From:  Reason

 

The president was certainly wrong to create any expectation, at this early juncture, about hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. But contrary to what the woman suggested to reporters, Trump did not endorse all forms of chloroquine as safe. What she consumed wasn't even medicine—it was chloroquine phosphate, a form of the chemical used in fish tank cleaner. As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote this morning, "It hardly seems Trump's fault that this couple took his statements to mean that drinking any old thing with chloroquine in it could help them."

 

[ boldface added - DD]

Edited on Apr 23, 2020 10:15am

It is indeed Trump's fault when he says something untrue that only a stupid person would believe, and a stupid person believes it.

 

It is unfortunate but nonetheless manifestly true that Trump's statements are more consequential than those of others. Therefore, he has a more stringent duty to tell the truth.

 

Not that he performs that duty.

Not in defense of anybody:  When an off label drug or treatment is offered as a hail mary pass (desperate condition, no other available treatments), some patients will die anyway, some will improve.  I don't know at what point, if any, it could be determined that hydroxy hastened death in a patient with Covid-19 respiratory failure not responding to mechanical ventilation.  

 

The hydroxy is not a new drug.  It is approved for treating malaria and also approved for treating lupus.  Generally, use in off label, desperate cases such as the respiratory failure with Covid-19 would require special approval.  Hydroxy use in approved conditions (malaria, lupus)  has well known significant risk of cardiac complications, which must be explained when offering to the patient, called "informed consent."  The patient should be under close medical supervision, which anyone hospitalized in respiratory failure from Covid-19 would be.

 

The drug quinine, related to hydroxy, used to be on the market for leg cramps (by prescription).  Dialysis patients could take one or two before dialysis and it helped prevent or minimize leg cramps.  Suddenly we were told there would be no more quinine to give the patients, had been taken off the market. 

 

My huband (not a dialysis patient) is subject to major hard leg cramps at night.  Often to the point of tears.  For years he was able to get quinine by prescription, one capsule at night or when the cramps hit.  Suddenly it was taken off the market, much to his dismay.  We found a source in Canada.  They had it ready to ship but his MD here refused to write the prescription.

 

I didn't know at the time, but like hydroxy, the quinine was also found to have significant risk of cardiac complications, the reason it was taken off the market in the US. 

Edited on Apr 23, 2020 11:27am

Candy, the hydroxychloroquine sulfate is not simply two or three chemicals mixed together.  This is a single molecule.  The hydroxy means the chemical possess hydroxyl groups (oxygen and hydrogen bonds).  The couple who ate or drank the fish tank cleaner were not eating hydroxychloroquine sulfate.  While I'm a chemical sales rep, my degree was not in chemistry, but I follow along on rudimentary stuff.

Edited on Apr 23, 2020 12:44pm

Thank you, Boilerman.

 

BTW, for anyone who suffers leg cramps, Theraworx works great.  Magnesium sulfate in a can, foams on, rub in.  Found in Walgreens, Walmart, CVS, etc.   

I think if FOX news cable opinion hosts touted pouring gasoline on COVID-19 victims and then setting them on fire as a 100% effective means of curing COVID-19 on their prime-time cable programs Trump would order the government to begin treating people with gasoline and matches the next morning. 

Originally posted by: Mark

I think if FOX news cable opinion hosts touted pouring gasoline on COVID-19 victims and then setting them on fire as a 100% effective means of curing COVID-19 on their prime-time cable programs Trump would order the government to begin treating people with gasoline and matches the next morning. 


And then Fox viewers would do that. You say that like it's a bad thing.

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