Israel Vetos Trump’s peace plan the straight is closed again

This is what happens when get into a war with little to no plan, ignore the advice of your military advisors and take on a partner that has a separate agenda.

 

 

It is real fascinating to read what Trump said as to why he made the agreement because it's very pertinent now that the agreement has been breached by Israel.

 

Trump on why he made the agreement:

 

We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”

 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5928618-iran-deal-oil-reserves-g7/amp/

 

I wonder what this will do to gas prices now that the world is almost out of reserves?  So much winning!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/06/20/us-iran-strait-of-hormuz-closed--live/90627193007/

Originally posted by: Mark

This is what happens when get into a war with little to no plan, ignore the advice of your military advisors and take on a partner that has a separate agenda.

 

 

It is real fascinating to read what Trump said as to why he made the agreement because it's very pertinent now that the agreement has been breached by Israel.

 

Trump on why he made the agreement:

 

We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”

 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5928618-iran-deal-oil-reserves-g7/amp/

 

I wonder what this will do to gas prices now that the world is almost out of reserves?  So much winning!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/06/20/us-iran-strait-of-hormuz-closed--live/90627193007/


       Niether link says anything about an Israel veto.

Every day somebody in Iran says the Straits are closed, but ships are going thru.

Does Israel even have a vote?  Other than rejecting Iran's demand that they get out of Lebanon?  Maybe I'm confused.

 

Candy


Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Does Israel even have a vote?  Other than rejecting Iran's demand that they get out of Lebanon?  Maybe I'm confused.

 

Candy


Don't forget that this war started because Bibi visited Trump and tickled his, um, fancy. Trump started the Iran war immediately afterward. So the answer is, not only does Israel get A vote; they get THE vote. As in, the only vote. The war will only stop if and when they want it to. And Bibi has made it abundantly clear that he wants to keep it going.

 

Trump hasn't been acting independently this whole time. Somewhat inexplicably, he's been Israel's obedient puppet. I mean, Republican orthodoxy has always been "Support Israel no matter what, and give them gobs of money," but this has taken things to a new level.

 

This sounds like a long shot, but I suspect that Trump wants to give Israel nuclear weapons and has been using this anti-Iran crusade as a pretext.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Don't forget that this war started because Bibi visited Trump and tickled his, um, fancy. Trump started the Iran war immediately afterward. So the answer is, not only does Israel get A vote; they get THE vote. As in, the only vote. The war will only stop if and when they want it to. And Bibi has made it abundantly clear that he wants to keep it going.

 

Trump hasn't been acting independently this whole time. Somewhat inexplicably, he's been Israel's obedient puppet. I mean, Republican orthodoxy has always been "Support Israel no matter what, and give them gobs of money," but this has taken things to a new level.

 

This sounds like a long shot, but I suspect that Trump wants to give Israel nuclear weapons and has been using this anti-Iran crusade as a pretext.


  You are truly delusional.

Originally posted by: tom

Every day somebody in Iran says the Straits are closed, but ships are going thru.


Only a very few. Most are still stuck in the Gulf, not willing to risk being fired upon. And no one is going to send ships INTO the Gulf unless and until this mess is resolved.

 

Your stance on this has been to wholeheartedly adopt the Trump propaganda that Iran is now helpless and weak as a kitten. They do have fewer schoolgirls now, but they still have lots of ways to shoot at vessels transiting the Strait.

Originally posted by: David Miller

  You are truly delusional.


You don't think this war was Israel's idea? And can you disagree with anyone without making a childish insult?

 

(The second question is purely rhetorical, since we all know that David can't, in fact, simply express disagreement in a civil manner.)

Originally posted by: Mark

This is what happens when get into a war with little to no plan, ignore the advice of your military advisors and take on a partner that has a separate agenda.

 

 

It is real fascinating to read what Trump said as to why he made the agreement because it's very pertinent now that the agreement has been breached by Israel.

 

Trump on why he made the agreement:

 

We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”

 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5928618-iran-deal-oil-reserves-g7/amp/

 

I wonder what this will do to gas prices now that the world is almost out of reserves?  So much winning!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/06/20/us-iran-strait-of-hormuz-closed--live/90627193007/


The slight dip in gas prices wasn't due to the world breathing a big sigh of relief; everyone knows that a Trump agreement is worthless and can't be counted upon. The price drop was caused by several nations, us included, releasing their petroleum reserves. The supply crisis was temporarily eased. But none of those reserves will last beyond August, and most not even that long.

 

This is what we get for being Israel's bitch.

Originally posted by: Mark

This is what happens when get into a war with little to no plan, ignore the advice of your military advisors and take on a partner that has a separate agenda.

 

 

It is real fascinating to read what Trump said as to why he made the agreement because it's very pertinent now that the agreement has been breached by Israel.

 

Trump on why he made the agreement:

 

We run out of reserves at about four weeks,” Trump said in France while at the Group of Seven summit, discussing the recent memorandum of understanding with Iran. “You know, there are reserves all over the world, and we would really run out, and there’ll be a time when you wouldn’t be able to get it.”

 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5928618-iran-deal-oil-reserves-g7/amp/

 

I wonder what this will do to gas prices now that the world is almost out of reserves?  So much winning!

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/06/20/us-iran-strait-of-hormuz-closed--live/90627193007/


The trigger point list and consequence list of this conflict changes hourly / daily. Though we can't trust what we've been told by the politicians and media throughout this entire opposition, other than the early military obliteration events,  it appears Iran has led us around like a small dog on a leash ( at times bolstered by an analogous shock collar). Delay after delay after the next  ceasefire violation charges. From a concerned conservative US citizen's perspective, it makes me think that the best solution is to just gas up the F-22's and blow up some more of their shit. Then one calms down and realizes that approach is irrational , short-termed, and wrong. Yet, one more delay / extension / charged ceasefire violation makes one revert to explosive thoughts. One kinda tires of the manipulation regardless of the source, etc?   

 

 It's like the current admin goalposts have finally become dependently focused on the global oil supply and subsequent pricing as THE priority. That's what I'm hearing recently from Trump and his tribes comments. The global  oil / energy consequences are certainly among the top concerns if not the top one, imo. It's right up there with the "no nukes" consequence.

 

The lack of ballistic missile restraints in this unfinished MOU document are concerning. Ballistic missiles are not mentioned at all in the MOU ( there's an inference that this aspect among many others will be negotiated in that 60-day period ). In fact, the entire MOU document contains a lot of vagaries and broad unknowns.  You add Israel's interests ( including their  survival) into the horizonal mix and it becomes more clear as to why this Middle East debacle has been ongoing for decades. It's complex with multiple conflicting inputs that aren't necessarily seen until you're in a war. 

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