Israel Vetos Trump’s peace plan the straight is closed again

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The Israelis have made ZERO effort to make peace with Hezbollah. Like it or not, they are Lebanon's de facto government, and they have the support of the people. And the more Israel attacks them, and the more Bibi talks about annexing them, the more solid that support becomes. 

 

So it comes down to two stark choices: kill them all and take their country, or swallow hard and make peace in some fashion. It would also be good to cut Hezbollah's ties with Iran in some fashion. I don't know how that could be done except by force.

 

Ultimately, the three parties, Iran, Israel, and the US, all run by warmongering dictators who crazy-hate the other side, cannot reach a viable and lasting agreement, barring some miracle. It would be wonderful if some outside party could step in and somehow enact and enforce a trilateral agreement. But I don't see how that outside party could ever have the power to enforce it.

 

Somewhat ironically, perhaps, the one event that could bring at least a tentative peace to the Middle East would be the complete destruction of Israel. That would also close up the sinkhole into which we've been pouring billions of US taxpayer money. Like in this novel I vaguely recall, turning the entire Middle East into a radioactive wasteland that can't support human life for the next fifty years would also be a solution, albeit a wee bit drastic.

 

For literally my entire life, I've been reading and hearing about the various shit happening in the region that Kurt Vonnegut called "God's Monkey House," and I for one am horribly sick of it.


  And I am sick of your twisted rhetoric.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Yeah, yeah, because he doesn't want to hold your hand, he must be lying. That's about the 700th time you've demanded a link, and when your demand is ignored, you call the person a liar.

 

If you're too fucking stupid to look stuff up yourself, or too fucking lazy, that's your problem.


  Is your name Mark?  Mind your own business.

Attack Hezbollah--not Lebanon

 

Mullah kevin thinks Hezbollah is an actual country, but are actually located in Lebanon who is powerless to stop them. Thus when Hezbollah attacks Israel and Israell retaliates the attack is in Lebanon.

 

Diplomacy only works hen both parties want to negoiate.  Hamas and Hezbollah won't negotiate as they are pledged to the total destruction of Israel 

 

perhaps, the one event that could bring at least a tentative peace to the Middle East would be the complete destruction of Israel

 

Mullah kevin would rather destroy a legit country and allow terrorists to survive.  Pretty depraved.

Edited on Jun 21, 2026 4:46pm
Originally posted by: David Miller

  Is your name Mark?  Mind your own business.


I don't need, nor will I ever seek, your permission to post anything I want.


Originally posted by: tom

Attack Hezbollah--not Lebanon

 

Mullah kevin thinks Hezbollah is an actual country, but are actually located in Lebanon who is powerless to stop them. Thus when Hezbollah attacks Israel and Israell retaliates the attack is in Lebanon.

 

Diplomacy only works hen both parties want to negoiate.  Hamas and Hezbollah won't negotiate as they are pledged to the total destruction of Israel 

 

perhaps, the one event that could bring at least a tentative peace to the Middle East would be the complete destruction of Israel

 

Mullah kevin would rather destroy a legit country and allow terrorists to survive.  Pretty depraved.


You're so weak, Tom. Did I say that Hezbollah is a country? Did I say that I wanted the destruction of Israel?

 

Hezbollah has in fact been negotiating with Israel for some time now.

 

I'm not a "mullah," so calling me that is stupid.

 

Everything you just said is not just a lie, but also really stupid.

 

STOOOPID Tom.

Originally posted by: David Miller

  And I am sick of your twisted rhetoric.


Yet, you avidly read every word and then rush off to hide in the laundry room and masturbate 

Trump Admin says its open.   Iran Admin says its closed.   Which entity has more credibility?

 

Its sad we have to ask that question, isnt it?

It's all both sad and somewhat comedic. There are of course shipping industry tracking companies that supposedly provide up-to-the-minute ship / tanker passage through the Strait. I've looked at three of them and they all differ by a noticeable margin. It's as if they all have different stakes in their provided information ( which is quite possible)? Windward is one of these prominent tracking companies. They reported that there were ten inbound and ten outbound large vessels through the Strait yesterday ( 6/21). A significant number of the vessels passing through the Strait have disabled their transponders in order to avoid sanctions and/or miltary interdictions. The latter skews the data and leads to further inaccuracy.

Sixty-five percent of the oil / crude is apparently destined for China. That's another pig trail.

 

In the end , we don't know what the hell is really going on except that there is a considerable choke point right this second vs that observed right after the MOU announcement. Stick around and it'll change ( Will Rogers said so) and then see if whatever can be verified. It's an evolving movie although it's up for debate whether it's popcorn-worthy.

 

insights.windward.ai/#hormuz-anchor

Edited on Jun 22, 2026 9:07am

20 ships went thru Monday am (ME time). 60+ ships went thru this weekend 

 

So I guess it is open 

Originally posted by: tom

20 ships went thru Monday am (ME time). 60+ ships went thru this weekend 

 

So I guess it is open 


Yes. It appears to be 'somewha't open anyway (according to this Windward bunch).

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