Originally posted by: tom
Yes pj there was a hospital on Ellis Island (which I said). From there the patients were either deported or when well dropped off on Manhattan Island.
So what was your point?
My point is in the url I provided. And your point is not in the url you did not provide.
See how that works?
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
How about if I confirm why I told you that the moon is full of purple giraffes?
And I've explained how you've gotten free shit all your life a dozen times. Search the archives.
More lies from a Lyin' Liberal.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Photo of Boilerman's ancestors getting "free shit" medical care at Ellis Island.
Photo of Tom's ancestors getting "free shit" food at Ellis Island
Arent you glad Tom and Boilerman weren't around in the 1920's to cry about all the "free shit" their ancestors got ?
Both sides of my family arrived far before Ellis Island, or NYC were in existence.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
My point is in the url I provided. And your point is not in the url you did not provide.
See how that works?
PJ, do you disagree with the post or just whining?
I believe the opening post of this thread was an exercise in whining. I'm not the one crying about it.
And did you notice something about the article you posted to support your post? Nowhere in there does it refer to the people getting healthcare as "illegals". You know why? (A) You article authors have integrity. (B) they get sued if they post a disgusting lie that smears the reputation of other people.
Can you imagine if libel laws applied to the posts you make on this board? You'd be stting in a chair next to Alex Jones in bankruptcy court. Have a great day !
What conservatives never acknowledge is that the US caused a lot the problems in Central and South America where the asylum skeekers are feeling from. We installed brutal dictators in those countries so American companies could continue to plunder the natural resources and keep people in poverty so they would have cheap labor. This is simpy a matter of our chickens coming home to roost. Now that the bill has come due for Boiler and Tom's cheap underoos, coffee and fruits they wanna skip out.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Both sides of my family arrived far before Ellis Island, or NYC were in existence.
Since NYC was founded in 1620, I find that hard to believe.
Boilerman having linked the story of a hospital going broke due to treating non-citizens, here is what I know:
There are laws requiring hospitals to treat anyone, anyone, who presents in an ER for care, 'legal' or non-legal. You and I who have insurance or other means of paying for care...yes, we pay, and yes we float the bill for those who don't. That's just the way this works in the US.
The extent of care given all depends. For one, no pregnant woman claiming to be on the brink of giving birth or other related distress absolutely can be sent away from and ER. She might be transferred to another system where she can receive care, but if she is just told "sorry, no pay, no care" that hospital will suffer the consequences.
The severity of condition of anyone presenting in ER is certainly considered, but all will receive a basic intake exam, basic stabalization or higher level of care if necessary. And referral to a system where his problems (often mental) can be addressed. If they show up.
There are systems in place to pay for indigent care. Social Workers are consulted to dig into what is available for that person. And "illegal" as related to care or housing or anything is complex, as most of us know.
My mother's parents came through Ellis Island from Wales. Shamefully I don't know details as I should, and of course they are long gone , but they relocated to Ohio, Pennsylvania areas amongst other Welsh. I know that Granddad work railroads, others worked coal mines, others established feed/grain mills. But they worked and raised their families, nothing free to them. They weren't looking for a handout, and back then there were few if any handouts, just humane conditions. Nothing is perfect and never will be perfect. Everything under the sun has conditions to it. You can't generalize about those who came to America via Ellis Island or any other way.
And, BTW, any of you guys have children? Guess what? I paid hefty health insurance premiums to have "family" coverage for my husband and myself. We never had children. My insurance premiums covered your care and the wife's pre-natal, pregnancy, delivery, etc. So...you got some "free shit" from me as I paid for health insurance. Of course it works both ways, as insurance does. Thanks for any contributions to my health care as you paid for yours.
Candy
Candy, my response to Boiler's idiotic claim has always been that as soon as you engage in economic activity, whether you're an "illegal" (EEK EEK EEK EEK EEK!!!!!!!) or not, you're paying into and contributing to the system, either directly by taxation on the stuff you buy or indirectly by working/creating (followed by directly via payroll taxes).
The truth, as you point out, is that no one and everyone gets "free shit." And even "illegals" (those horrible horrible horrible filthy evil people) contribute, the moment they buy anything or work for pay.
Of course, Boiler's continuing rants on this subject are nothing but thinly disguised racism. "THEY" scare the shit out of him.
Candy, my response to Boiler's idiotic claim has always been that as soon as you engage in economic activity, whether you're an "illegal" (EEK EEK EEK EEK EEK!!!!!!!) or not, you're paying into and contributing to the system, either directly by taxation on the stuff you buy or indirectly by working/creating (followed by directly via payroll taxes).
The truth, as you point out, is that no one and everyone gets "free shit." And even "illegals" (those horrible horrible horrible filthy evil people) contribute, the moment they buy anything or work for pay.
Of course, Boiler's continuing rants on this subject are nothing but thinly disguised racism. "THEY" scare the shit out of him.
