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I thought the wall was suppossed to stop illegal immigration.  Isnt that what Donny Dipshit spent 4 years telling Tom and friends?   Obviously it didnt work.   Can Mexico or whoever paid for it get their money back?

Only 1 party has put fourth a comprehensive immigration plan that addresses the border, the dreamers, and the people who have lived here for decades while employers like Donald Trump hired them to work at their hotels.   

In any event - jobs arent hard to come by right now and even unskilled labor jobs are offering that socialist $15/hr wage that Tom assurred was would turn the country  into Venezuela.   So the idea that "immigrants be taken our jobs" is just BS.   If you cant get employed right now its because you suck at life.   Blaming immigrants is just the FOX News crybaby shit used to rile up the next wave of Captial riots.    

Its not a matter of opinion.   Dreamers are legal US citizens whether that make you constipated or not.   

Just like the election iresults are not a matter of opinion.   But if you believe either iscenario is then you are in the right party.

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Haves and Have-Nots there will always be.  Which category one fits in depends on many things, not the least of which is initiative, opportunity, and luck.   

Who likes chicken?   A lot of what ends up on our dinner plates or restaurants has been processed in part by 'illegals'.   Chicken work is unpleasant enough (cold, smelly, hard on the hands) that Americans won't do it.  So illegals may be (are) hired because the company needs workers; and who is willing to do that work?  Illegals.  You could say it is a left hand/right hand situation...each helps the other.  

Government agencies are tasked with checking businesses and weeding out 'illegals', (i.e. deporting them, also at cost to us taxpayers BTW), but that is like shoveling sand back into the ocean with a seed fork.   Any American could have the assembly line spot of a chicken plant illegal (or doing roofing or painting or landscaping) if they were willing and able.

Personally, I'd rather know that an illegal is working a job instead of out on the street mugging people.  

Candy

Sorry pj dreamers are not US citizens.  Just allowing all illegals to become citizens is not a plan. 

The wall works & would work better if it was completed & border agents didn't have to spend most of their time processing illegals that cross in other areas. 

Sorry Candy, the theory that meat processing workers are all illegals is incorrect. According to the ACS, 37% of the workers are foreign born & 30% are naturalized citizens. Many of the others have work permits. 

To be fair Tom is partially correct - there are two kinds of dreamers:

1) Those who came over the border as children 

2) Those who were born in AMerica by illegal immigrant parents.

The latter most certainly are US citizens.  The former are not.   Neither group was involved or able to engage in the decisions of their parents.   Both groups are under threat of deportaion despite lving peacefully and constructively in the country for years under the eye of both parties running the federal government.   They have also been allowed to serve in the US Military and fight in wars that were instigated by the same Administrations that have ideological issues with their presence.

I can understand wanting to reform the immigration system going forward so as to control  and fairly administrate access.  And thats what a comprehensive immigrations law would do...and what building a wall did not.

BUt the idea that anyone would want to round up 10 million hard working people who spend money and live peacefully in our system that is wrought with people who dont?   Thats ...just ...stupid..   And its not based on jobs- its based on people like Tom witnessing the election results in Arizona and being afraid. 

Did I say "all"?  If I did, my mistake.   But believe me, they are out there.

We used to dine every Friday in our favorite Chinese restaurant.  Most servers and bussers and cooks were Asian, few if any were Amer citizens.  Some were here on asylum or work permits, but probably had overstayed their limits since most worked there for years, but that's another story.  One little guy we liked was illegal.  One weekend he and his girlfriend were driving, he was stopped for speeding or something.  While the cop was writing out his ticket he was on his cell phone to his co-workers in the restaurant.  He didn't want to accept the ticket, felt he was unfairly stopped.  The co-workers were screaming "TAKE THE TICKET."  He wouldn't take the ticket, so they arrested him, took him to jail, where eventually his illegal status was found out and he was deported.  They were all mad at him for being so stupid.  They all knew the drill, how things worked.  He'd probably have not been found out had he 1) not been speeding or 2) signed the ticket, paid the fine, etc.  

I don't know why I bored you with this story!

Candy

We tried amnesty in the 80's. The promise was no more illegals. Now we are back. If we grant amnesty now, it will just reset the clock & we will be back again. 

You don't have to deport illegals, just make it more difficult to live here. Prove legal residency before attending schools, getting social services. Enforce hiring laws.   Commit a crime you get deported. No sanctuary cities. Allow ICE into the court house & jails to deport criminals. 

Dreamers are not legal US citizens.  

Ref: All About the Dream Act

For the record poor old DonDiego is not constipated.

Tommie-poo, no one, except in your fevered, stupid, evil conservitard brain, has EVER advocated allowing ALL illegal immigrants to become citizens. I advocate giving them the opportunity to apply to become citizens if they haven't engaged in any criminal activity since their arrival and have employment, a residence, means of support, etc. But many people wouldn't even go that far, which is really, really stupid, considering the economic benefit these people provide.

You continue to feed this fantasy of hordes of people who aren't White (whom you hate) rushing across the border in the hopes of escaping law enforcement and flooding into the US in order to open up taco trucks. That's not the current situation. What's happening now is LEGAL asylum applications by migrants looking to use the LEGAL process to become LEGAL residents of the United States on a temporary LEGAL basis. Da Wall has not fuck-all to do with that and never would affect that even if it was completed.

Some Dreamers are US citizens; most are not. The question is, should we provide a pathway to citizenship for them? Obama thought so. Trump-hole canceled that policy for two reasons: it was an Obama policy, and his political shtick was all about hating immigrants.

And so is yours.

Of course...but do you realize the inherent bigotry in implying that if an illegal doesn't have a job, he would be "out on the street mugging people"? Because only unemployed illegals do stuff like that! They're dangerous and smelly and talk funny. And they eat burritos! Why don't they learn to eat sandwiches like normal people?

I'm obviously being sarcastic, but if a person is gainfully employed and not committing any crimes, why not just let him stay here on a trial basis, at least? Isn't that better than employing a small army of ICE agents to weed him out and toss him back over the border? Isn't that better than giving a psychopathic populist demagogue jerkwad political fodder to make 75 million assholes LUVVVVV him?

There's another simple consideration here, which I never see mentioned. One reason why there are so many "illegals" is that they're scared to death of being deported, so they don't complete the procedures that could allow them to remain (work permits, green cards, etc. etc.). The prevailing rhetoric from Trump-hole and the RepubliQ has greatly amplified that fear.

We demonize these poor people, who are just trying to improve their lives, while the corporate big wheels who steal billions are exalted as heroes and the murderers who tried to overthrow the government are defended by Republicans as patriots. Something is seriously out of joint here.