Originally posted by: Vegas Todd
Living rent free in Gay Jerry's head.
I'll take that as a cowardly "no" to the boxing match?
You wouldn't get hurt too bad in a boxing match with official, Pig.
Originally posted by: Vegas Todd
Living rent free in Gay Jerry's head.
I'll take that as a cowardly "no" to the boxing match?
You wouldn't get hurt too bad in a boxing match with official, Pig.
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33
Ok, how about this so we can get away from the whole fist-fight accusation/coward thing. How about I face Pig in a charity boxing match (boxing gloves and officiated) with "the drag" on all bets going to charity. Same with you and David?
If you guys actually agree to it, I could work on setting it up in Vegas?
Opening odds on first match - Jerry -50000 Pig +45000
David: Are you in?
As a practical matter, it could never happen. And as a "is this even remotely worth doing" matter, it shouldn't.
What would it prove, regardless of outcome? Not fuck-all.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Are you really such a shallow thinker as to adopt a reductio ad absurdum argument? We can't stop people from killing other people, so why bother taking away the weapons that can be used most efficiently to kill 100 people in a minute?? They don't have assault weapons, they'll just use fertilizer??
The Second Amendment refers to a COLLECTIVE right, not an individual one. And it was written during an era when it took a full minute to load, aim, and fire a rifle. The situation is so different now that the Second Amendment is obsolete and no longer relevant anyway, the Supreme Court's vast extrapolation (essentially saying that every person is his own militia) notwithstanding.
If you believe I'm a shallow thinker, then don't respond to my posts. Easy solution...just limit your associations in here to/with your normally applied and misguided depth. Further, if you believe the 2nd amendment is obsolete then petition your congressional reps to alter it. It's a stretch to get it accomplished that way but it's superior to and more effectual than your typical methods in here. Or maybe you could organize a covert NRA infiltration unit..slow down their lobby power..squelch / follow the money, etc.
These gun laws should be legislated / administered in state and local jurisdictions..obviously gun related incidents differ by geography and population centers. I'm in favor of extended background checks / vetting, wait periods pre-purchase, and most tenets of the red flag laws. The great majority of US gunowners are responsible .. I'm one of them. In effect, keep guns out of the hands of people who have histories / tendencies to endanger other people. Then maybe we'd reduce the number of those deranged individuals who will have guns anyway despite any legislated efforts to dissuade it. You're a fool if you don't think that latter fact is plausible.
I can live with so-called assault weapon limitations..provided we address the vetting / screening / background check processes for anybody attempting to purchase a firearm. You'll be hardpressed to isolate one single action that will greatly reduce firearm murders on its own...the solution is complex and multi-faceted ( and includes adequately funded law enforcement entities nationwide that we currently don't have). Most of these mass shooters have deranged minds, obviously, and hopefully screening processes would weed out some of these individuals for gun purchase eligibility ; our infamous intelligence surveilance arms of our national security/ law enmforcement apparati missed a lot of pre-event signals regarding some of these recent mass shooters. And let's face it..governmental actions on gun control issues are almost always reactive vs preemptive; we experience one of these tragic shootings and they all scurry to get in front of the cameras and pen legislation in a hurry. Gun control isn't the only issue they are largely reactive on, but that's another argument for future indulgence.
You are aware that the great grand majority of firearm murders in this country are committed with handguns ( vs mass shootings via assault weapons ; I confirmed this with your buddy Todd, since he's such a self-professed current events expert on all issues ). So, is banning all firearms your solution..do we include handguns as well ? Is that the subsequent step after an assault weapons ban bill? Won't ever happen..and shouldn't. The proponents of firearms limitations / bans seldom address the basic right to self-defense of persons and properties outlined in the original 2nd amendment. Why is that? It still applies..and is appropriate..and is in full force at my house. A trained and legal handgun user might have been able to reduce the impact in the mass shootings of late ( and historically). I can't think of a better potential example of self-defense application than that, where it might have been logistically possible/ applicable.
There's currently an assault weapons ban bill ( 2021-2022) that narrowly passed in the House and will supposedly be voted on in the Senate reasonably soon. So fire up your anti-NRA lobby / money train and infiltrate McConnell's/ Schumer's offices asap...let your voice be heard, by God!.
Timothy McVeigh ( were he still breathing) might disagree with you on the potential lethality of ammonium nitrate ( that's a combustible fertilizer if you're from Polliwog, Alabama..or Rio Linda..Martha's Vineyard..etc.)
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
As a practical matter, it could never happen. And as a "is this even remotely worth doing" matter, it shouldn't.
What would it prove, regardless of outcome? Not fuck-all.
There are charity boxing matches all over.
It would give David and I a chance at closing your big mouths. That's what it would prove, even if for a short time.
It's simple. No guns in the hands of the public. None. Australia. Western Europe. Japan. All with a tiny fraction of the violent murder rates we experience here in our noble Second Amendment paradise. So clearly, they don't need to be a'packin' heat to be safe, and our gun love culture is doing a piss-poor job of that. So, your "personal safety" argument blows up like...a barrel of fertilizer.
I'll grant that such a change, sensible as it may be, isn't going to happen here in Cowboy Country. There's FAR too much fantasizing about "Honey, someone's downstairs!" and silently withdrawing one's gun from the night stand, creeping downstairs, and apprehending the foul miscreant. Do you realize how RARE that actually is? In fact, it's twenty times more likely that the presence of a gun in the household will result in an accidental death. So you should give that fantasy the fertilizer treatment as well.
So maybe, at least, restricting ownership of the mass murder weapons? And I don't mean background checks or "fill out this form to prove you're not crazy" or other such band-aids. I mean a complete ban on any guns that are auto or semi-auto and can be loaded with more than, say, ten rounds.
Then, I'd want to quintuple the penalties on anyone who buys or sells that shit, in addition to greatly expanding tort liability for both parties.
And lastly (as long as we're on my wish list), how about we make a couple or three movies wherein the hero solves a problem by THINKING rather than blazing away (with one o'them Hollywood handguns that can fire twenty-seven shots without reloading)?
Oh, and anyone who sells guns for a living should be hung up by his balls in Times Square. But that's for the future. Baby steps.
Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33
There are charity boxing matches all over.
It would give David and I a chance at closing your big mouths. That's what it would prove, even if for a short time.
If it landed you in prison for aggravated assault, it would be worth it. Hell, I'd take a fall if the fight occurred in public and was recorded on casino video. I'd laugh and laugh as Metro dragged you away.
I wouldn't even try to defend myself. I'd just stand there with my hands folded behind my back and a big smile. I'd be a bit worried that you'd swing and miss, fall down, and knock yourself out.
It would be a charity boxing match where participants would sign waivers. Have you ever seen one of these?!?! What rock do you live under? There would never be an aggravated assault. What color is the sky in the world that you and your buddy, Pig live in?
You don't have to worry, the matches would be stopped by the official before any real damage gets done by David with you or Pig from me.
Living rent free in Gay Jerry's head.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
It's simple. No guns in the hands of the public. None. Australia. Western Europe. Japan. All with a tiny fraction of the violent murder rates we experience here in our noble Second Amendment paradise. So clearly, they don't need to be a'packin' heat to be safe, and our gun love culture is doing a piss-poor job of that. So, your "personal safety" argument blows up like...a barrel of fertilizer.
I'll grant that such a change, sensible as it may be, isn't going to happen here in Cowboy Country. There's FAR too much fantasizing about "Honey, someone's downstairs!" and silently withdrawing one's gun from the night stand, creeping downstairs, and apprehending the foul miscreant. Do you realize how RARE that actually is? In fact, it's twenty times more likely that the presence of a gun in the household will result in an accidental death. So you should give that fantasy the fertilizer treatment as well.
So maybe, at least, restricting ownership of the mass murder weapons? And I don't mean background checks or "fill out this form to prove you're not crazy" or other such band-aids. I mean a complete ban on any guns that are auto or semi-auto and can be loaded with more than, say, ten rounds.
Then, I'd want to quintuple the penalties on anyone who buys or sells that shit, in addition to greatly expanding tort liability for both parties.
And lastly (as long as we're on my wish list), how about we make a couple or three movies wherein the hero solves a problem by THINKING rather than blazing away (with one o'them Hollywood handguns that can fire twenty-seven shots without reloading)?
Oh, and anyone who sells guns for a living should be hung up by his balls in Times Square. But that's for the future. Baby steps.
Yeah,well. You're deluded in thinking any US citizen's 'personal safety' argument (and related extensions thereof) has no import and level of popularity among the citizenry. Even if you're the Queen of England ( if only in your mind), it's an important argument and position for me and you can't / won't change it. Appears to me that you've got your own fantasy-based set of gun control ideas as well. Good luck with accomplishing those in the real world US. Also, your points are not very inclusive of the varied opinions of the general populace as well. I thought you liberals were all about inclusivity...apparently not, at least on this issue. It's your carnival.
I told you previously..the House has passed an assault weapons ban bill recently and that the Senate is apparently going to vote on it fairly soon. It's made to order for you ( 126 pages of assault weapons ban - with listings of specific arms types included and excluded from the restrictions, along witrh some excessively worded descriptions of ..well..this and that). I'm a tad surprised you were unaware of it, since Todd is your up-to-the-minute news source on all things current. There may not be any real critical roadblocks for this bill to stumble over prior to Senate passage /approval..and Biden will of course sign it; course those Senate Republicans can be creative at times.. who knows.
If interested ( or even if you're not)..here's the bill text:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text
Happy Holidays,etc.
Speaking of ''up to the minute news source'', Try sticking to the current DeSantis topic, Chuck.
*hint* December