So did "Sleepy" make Kevin McCarthy bark like a dog?

Originally posted by: tom

McCarthy made biden bark.  Remember this - biden says he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling

 

Biden and his top advisers have repeatedly indicated that they will reject demands from the new GOP majority in the House of Representatives to link increasing the debt ceiling with cutting federal spending. Instead, Biden is insisting that Congress pass a clean debt-ceiling increase, with no conditions attached.

 

And we have the usual idiotic statements from Lam 

 

And of course, the party of fiscal responsibility is against an expenditure that would produce a 500% return.

 

getting their Social Security checks cut by twenty percent wasn't sounding too freedom-y to a lot of Americans.

 

Proof?

 

 

 


Yeah, threatening to not negotiate was a....negotiating position! A negotiation that Biden won by the way.

 

If tom had ever achieved a position of great responsibility, he would know a bit more about negotiating. So I guess we shouldn't hold it against him.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

The total IRS funding increase approved in the earlier Inflation Reduction Act ($80B, more than half of that total destined for increased enforcement funding) will only be reduced by $1.4B in direct funding in the proposed HR 2811 bill ( that hasn't been voted on yet). Additionally, there's an intent in the bill to reallocate an additional $20B of overall IRS spending during 2024 and 2025. So, if this bill passes as written, a total of $21 - $22 B of the original $80B might be lost / redirected. That's a compromise from both sides. There's no indication that very many, if any, of the new 87,000 IRS agents will actually lose their jobs in this proposed bill. McCarthy, in fact, was criticized heavily by many of the more fiscally conservative R's for not demanding deeper cuts in overall IRS funding in this proposed bill. But McCarthy had to acquiesce in order to get the entire bill past the White House. I'm not particularly fond of McCarthy myself, but he's in a position that demands riding a fence occasionally. 'For the people...and the greater good'..rah, rah, etc.

 

Those who can actually stand to read through this proposed bill (HR 2811, for those who give a shit) may conclude that both Biden and McCarthy barked simultaneously..to eventually attain a compromise in order to avoid default on the US debt. There's a lot of green energy issue recissions / repeals in it, and we can assume that Biden and advisors must have agreed to compromise on those. So, there's a ton of barking by both sides to be witnessed in the next couple days before an actual vote; further incessant barking will ensue to get it through the Senate. Stay tuned for the cartoon barkfest to follow.

 


The IRS was planning to hire an additional 12K agents over the next two years as part of the original legislation passed by Democrats.   That funding has now been gutted by 1/4.    And you're saying there's no evidence that it will impact that hiring?  Really?  

 

And your description of the "more fiscally conservative R's who want deeper cuts to the IRS" is kind of self contradictory, dont ya think?   You know, given the math by their own Confressional Budegt Office?

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

The IRS was planning to hire an additional 12K agents over the next two years as part of the original legislation passed by Democrats.   That funding has now been gutted by 1/4.    And you're saying there's no evidence that it will impact that hiring?  Really?  

 

And your description of the "more fiscally conservative R's who want deeper cuts to the IRS" is kind of self contradictory, dont ya think?   You know, given the math by their own Confressional Budegt Office?


"Fiscally conservative" is a false label, a badge of honor donned by the conservitard servants of the rich. Aside from the reality of choking off IRS funding being the direct opposite of fiscal conservatism, crippling the nation's social safety net, encouraging race hatred and racial discrimination, and taking away women's rights have all been sacred goals of conservatives for decades--and all of those things have cost us tens of trillions of dollars.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

The IRS was planning to hire an additional 12K agents over the next two years as part of the original legislation passed by Democrats.   That funding has now been gutted by 1/4.    And you're saying there's no evidence that it will impact that hiring?  Really?  

 

And your description of the "more fiscally conservative R's who want deeper cuts to the IRS" is kind of self contradictory, dont ya think?   You know, given the math by their own Confressional Budegt Office?


There's no evidence in the bill, I said. I don't know how many jobs will actually be lost / affected if it passes. This IRS funding thing was obviously a big part of the negotiations..both sides gave and took ( up to this point). It's not passed yet..who knows about the real aftermath in its wake? Believe it or not..there exists factions of congress who are more demanding on spending cuts than others (fiscally conservative)..you didn't / can't /don't have to vote for them.


You probably should also take a few pokes at the White House / Biden for agreeing to the changes / compromises in this legislation; there's a lot of issues in the proposed bill that you liberals aren't going to like beyond IRS funding. It's an R bill..how could you approve of it? I don't expect you to. If there are any bullets of light in this thing, it's the fact that compromise actually occurred somewhat to avoid default.

How in the world did Biden win the negotiation?  I'll reserve total judgement until I see all of the facts, but Republicans "apparently" cut deal with Biden to freeze spending with the exception of defense.  When was the last time that our federal goverment froze spending for even a minute?

 

Unless the Democrats wanted to freeze spending, and we all know that they wanted to borrow money to feel good today at the expense of tomorrow....the GOP won the negotiations.

Democrats werent negotiaing any legislation with the bill.  They just wanted America to not default.   I guess thats the big win for them.   Pretty said thats a partisan priority, isnt it?

 

Regardless, we've officially set a new precedent going forward.   Bills from Previous COngresses can now be held hostage by a new COngress who is willing to play chicken with the sitting president and our national accounting.    Something tells me when and if the roles are reveresed Republicans will sudennly think its out of bounds to do the shit they're doing now.   If you thought the government was dysfunctional before.....this is the new normal.   Well played.

 

 

Edited on May 29, 2023 7:41pm
Originally posted by: Boilerman

How in the world did Biden win the negotiation?  I'll reserve total judgement until I see all of the facts, but Republicans "apparently" cut deal with Biden to freeze spending with the exception of defense.  When was the last time that our federal goverment froze spending for even a minute?

 

Unless the Democrats wanted to freeze spending, and we all know that they wanted to borrow money to feel good today at the expense of tomorrow....the GOP won the negotiations.


 brain dead Biden and the disasterous DemocRats have screwed up so badly that they havn't a leg to stand on. Their fake bravado was just another empty threat - America and the real Americans have had enough of these traitors - every DemocRat needs to be voted out of office, and the traitor Biden, Pelosi, Schiff, and Mayorkas belong in prison. 

Originally posted by: Boilerman

How in the world did Biden win the negotiation?  I'll reserve total judgement until I see all of the facts, but Republicans "apparently" cut deal with Biden to freeze spending with the exception of defense.  When was the last time that our federal goverment froze spending for even a minute?

 

Unless the Democrats wanted to freeze spending, and we all know that they wanted to borrow money to feel good today at the expense of tomorrow....the GOP won the negotiations.


Well, you have that completely wrong...spending isn't "frozen." Read better.

 

I was completely sure that the Republicans would claim "victory" even if they got their asses reamed out--and that's exactly what happened. They screamed for ten years of 20% budget cuts. They got two years of 2%.

 

So go ahead and do what your masters tell you, Boiler: claim victory.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

You probably should also take a few pokes at the White House / Biden for agreeing to the changes / compromises in this legislation; there's a lot of issues in the proposed bill that you liberals aren't going to like beyond IRS funding. It's an R bill..how could you approve of it? I don't expect you to. If there are any bullets of light in this thing, it's the fact that compromise actually occurred somewhat to avoid default.


The most significant casualty was renewable energy funding...and we all know how rabidly the RepubliQ have been opposed to that. Why ARE they, you ask? Well, it's the future, and conservatives are, by definition, afraid of the future. Couple that with it being a "woke liberal" thing and their opposition is automatic.

 

If you're going to accurately predict how vehement the anti-spending hawks in Congress will be, you might have to unshackle yourself from your ideology. The RepubliQ shibboleth "GUMMINT SPENDING AM BAD" is such nonsense, the RepubliQ themselves don't really believe it. Just look at all the bags of money they happily fling at stuff they WANT. But it makes for great ad copy.

 

An example: even though Medicaid, SNAP, TANF, and other poverty assistance programs benefit primarily WHITE people IN RURAL AREAS, the conservitard message is that it's helping all those subhuman nonwhite people--so they fuck over their own constituents, the white trash goobers who elected them, in order to starve a few "darkies and spicks" to death and let them die of disease. So it isn't that they don't like spending; it's that they don't like spending that even slightly benefits those that they hate so very, very much.

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