Some Casinos opened in Oklahoma this weekend.

I'm cetain that Kevin is like the occasional little old ladie in liberal towns who wave their hands in front of their face to wave away non-existent smoke as I walk past while assuring not take a drag or exhale happens?  The smoking Nazi never get a wiff, but feel the impulse to make a point.

 

In my town of about 25,000 people, we have a bunch of restautants that have bars.  If a place is 21 and over, the bar owner can decide to allow smoking, or he can decided to make his establishmen non-smoking.  I go to a place which allows smoking, and Kevin thinks that all of us should be put in jail.  In my town, we appreciate the rights of a property owner.  If 100% of the establishments decide no smoking............I suport it.

 

Kevin disagrees with choice.

Sorry, Boilerboob, your constant argumentative tactic of constructing straw men isn't working.

 

It's idiotic, even for you, to say that only liberals or old ladies object to your piggy smoke. Pretty much everyone who doesn't smoke hates the smell. And that's aside from the health issues.

 

You want to continue to be a thoughtless, selfish, irresponsible pig, go right ahead; I can't stop you. My consolation is that doing so will kill you. Think of me as you lie in an oxygen tent, coughing up blood and struggling to breathe.

A little update on the original post. We haven't gone to any Casino yet. We have friends who have went to 1st Council in Newkirk,Ok yesterday.  They said that about 90% of the patrons were not wearing masks and gloves. It seems crazy but I guess people are betting their lives on this Herd immunity.  Gamblers with their money and with their lives. It will be July and a lot of thought before we consider going back.

Originally posted by: Rocky Kollmeyer

A little update on the original post. We haven't gone to any Casino yet. We have friends who have went to 1st Council in Newkirk,Ok yesterday.  They said that about 90% of the patrons were not wearing masks and gloves. It seems crazy but I guess people are betting their lives on this Herd immunity.  Gamblers with their money and with their lives. It will be July and a lot of thought before we consider going back.


Yep, like you point out, some gamblers are gamblers with their lives and those of their families. And some of them are addicts too.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

True perhaps, but when you add that in to all the other reasons he might not make it to 80 (I think he said he's 61), his chances of living that long are about as good as those of the Miami Dolphins to win the Super Bowl next year.

 

CoVid-19 does take down smokers at a higher rate than non-smokers. That's because the former have less lung capacity. An infection that a non-smoker survives might kill a smoker.

 

The threat might be an excellent reason for smokers to kick the habit. But very few will. After all, they choose death over life every time they light up.


Kevin, some of this, particularly smoking and Covid-19, is more like conventional wisdom.  How tight are your sources...recent ones detailed in peer-reviewed medical/infectious disease scientific journals about Covid-19?  It sounds logical, but I listened to one report from a Covid-19 scientist that this isn't necessarily fact, yet.  Same as thinking fever was one of the big three of Covid-19, only if you had fever could you be tested.  Turns out, some confirmed Covid-19 cases never showed fever.  Things are changing, fast.

 

Where I worked every patient care person was assigned a back brace/support and instructed we were to wear it all day every work day, to minimize back strain from lifiting and moving patients.  If we sustained a back injury/strain and were not wearing the brace we would not be eligible for on the job injury benefits (or so it was said...I doubt that was true).  Decades into it, somebody determined that the brace had no effect on minimizing back injury.  We had to turn them in.  Just an example of "conventional wisdom" that turns out to not be quite so true.  And it would seem logical that the back brace WOULD do the job, but it didn't.

Originally posted by: Rocky Kollmeyer

A little update on the original post. We haven't gone to any Casino yet. We have friends who have went to 1st Council in Newkirk,Ok yesterday.  They said that about 90% of the patrons were not wearing masks and gloves. It seems crazy but I guess people are betting their lives on this Herd immunity.  Gamblers with their money and with their lives. It will be July and a lot of thought before we consider going back.


Why go back at all, ever? You lose money no matter what, it's out in the middle of nowhere...and now you get to risk your life, too!

 

Casinos should be one of the LAST businesses to reopen, and there's a strong argument for never allowing them to reopen at all.

Originally posted by: Candy Wright

Kevin, some of this, particularly smoking and Covid-19, is more like conventional wisdom.  How tight are your sources...recent ones detailed in peer-reviewed medical/infectious disease scientific journals about Covid-19?  It sounds logical, but I listened to one report from a Covid-19 scientist that this isn't necessarily fact, yet.  Same as thinking fever was one of the big three of Covid-19, only if you had fever could you be tested.  Turns out, some confirmed Covid-19 cases never showed fever.  Things are changing, fast.

 

Where I worked every patient care person was assigned a back brace/support and instructed we were to wear it all day every work day, to minimize back strain from lifiting and moving patients.  If we sustained a back injury/strain and were not wearing the brace we would not be eligible for on the job injury benefits (or so it was said...I doubt that was true).  Decades into it, somebody determined that the brace had no effect on minimizing back injury.  We had to turn them in.  Just an example of "conventional wisdom" that turns out to not be quite so true.  And it would seem logical that the back brace WOULD do the job, but it didn't.


That wasn't just anecdotal. In China, the virus killed considerably more men than women, controlling for all other demographic variables. Men smoke much more than women in China, and overall have a high incidence of smoking and all the attendant health problems. So lacking any other explanation for the significantly higher death rate among males, smoking seems to be the likely candidate variable--especially since the virus attacks the lungs.

 

And just for grins--actually, conventional wisdom is, in fact, usually accurate.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Sorry, Boilerboob, your constant argumentative tactic of constructing straw men isn't working.

 

It's idiotic, even for you, to say that only liberals or old ladies object to your piggy smoke. Pretty much everyone who doesn't smoke hates the smell. And that's aside from the health issues.

 

You want to continue to be a thoughtless, selfish, irresponsible pig, go right ahead; I can't stop you. My consolation is that doing so will kill you. Think of me as you lie in an oxygen tent, coughing up blood and struggling to breathe.


Kevin still doesn't get it.  It has nothing to do with who does or doesn't dislike smoke.  It's about the business owners choice to offer smoking.  In my town, one can eat and drink at 20 places smoke free.  One of most successful places in town is the one place that allows smoking.  Most of the "guests" don't smoke, but still go there instead of the 20 smoke free joints.

 

Kevin doesn't believe in our ability to choose.  He doesn't  like, so we shouldn't do it.  

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin still doesn't get it.  It has nothing to do with who does or doesn't dislike smoke.  It's about the business owners choice to offer smoking.  In my town, one can eat and drink at 20 places smoke free.  One of most successful places in town is the one place that allows smoking.  Most of the "guests" don't smoke, but still go there instead of the 20 smoke free joints.

 

Kevin doesn't believe in our ability to choose.  He doesn't  like, so we shouldn't do it.  


That's what you don't seem to understand. When you smoke in public, you destroy the right to choose of everyone around you--you force them to smoke.

 

You might be surprised that I support businesses allowing smoking. However, they should pay a substantial indemnity to the state to account for all the health costs the existence of their establishments will cause. Maybe a $50,000 annual smoking permit.

Boilerman:  While some people belief it is their right to smoke in an establishment which allows it, you don't take in consideration the people who have work around second hand smoke.  It is a toxic smell, of which the smoker doesn't realize until he gives up smoking. In Vegas employees for years work around the smoke and some end up with medical problems.  Most Casinos have a token non-smoking area in oklahoma, but its generally about maybe 10% of the slots.  80% of Americans don't smoke, but in Vegas 100% have to breath in the second hand smoke.  The gradual decrease of allowable smoking places needs to invade Vegas,  besides walking outside to get a smoke isn't the end of the world.  Consider those around you who can't stand it, some gambling smokers have no idea where their smoke is drifting towards. Some smokers are not polite where they put their ashtrays, the ideal spot would be in front of the machine so they can fully enjoy the smoke and the second hand smoke.  Some day Vegas may change but probably not for now, but when it happens it will be a great day for the non-smokers.

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