That free wind power sure is expensive.

I stopped at the first, let's call it uninformed comment, that I knew was false off the top of my head.  PJ claims that most of California's imported electricity is produced by hydro power.  The truth is, that only 17% of California's imported power comes from hydro power.

That didn't even take me a minute.

California imports more power than Pennsylvania exports.  I'm not sure why PJ brings Pennsylvania into the discussion on energy imports, but he does.  California's policiies have lead to more longer energy transmissions over higher voltage power lines.  Any sensible person knows that this leads to more fires.

Tell me that I'm wrong, and then explain how.

No shit.  California has a population twice that of Pennsylvania.      See my previous post.   Boilerman measures in net amounts instead of per capita.   And he tells me fossill fuel power plants are near consumption.

But the biggest state exporters of electricty are fossil fuel hubs..   Which refutes the point Boilerman made up and pulled out of his ass.    

Next point....we  can see the various sources of California's imported electricity.  We dont have to ask your ass.  There's real, published data.  Forgive me if I think the actual data knows more than your ass.

California's imported electricty by source     its overwhelmingly fossil fuel and hyrdorlectic...not the "hyper expensive green energy" lie that you told.

Oh, and I'm not interested in any statment or explanation you make that isnt backed up with a credible source.   I know better.  But have a great day !

Boiler is such an idiot. I didn't bother to explode any of his utterly wrong assertions--PJ did a great job of that--but I couldn't help but burst out laughing when he claimed that fossil fuel electricity generation plants are built near where consumption occurs.

The largest fossil fuel generation plant in the American West was the Navajo coal generation plant,  decommissioned in 2022. It was built near Page, Arizona, several hundred miles from Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Diego, the cities where its generated power was routed. It wasn't within 200 miles of even any small town other than Page.

Of course, it was built where it was to take advantage of coal deposits on Navajo land.

Boiler actually thinks it's cheaper to move fossil fuels via trucks, trains, and pipelines than it is to move electricity by transmission. And he claims to be an expert in this field! What a fucking JOKE!

PJ, why didn't you post electricy production by state.  Well here it is below.  Texas is by far the largest producer, then Pennsylvania, followed by Illinois and then Florida.  Fossil fuel power is generated near largely populated areas and areas with water access to move coal.  Gas fired plants need to be near natural gas pipelines.  Are our Indiana wind farms near large populations?  No.  On the other hand, we have a natural gas power plant in downtown Indy.

If electricy is produced near oil and gas production, as PJ claims, then explain why are North Dakota and New Mexico two of the smallest electricy producers of all states.  After all, they are the #2 and #3 producers of oil and gas.  Wait, I know.  Those states transport natural gas to highly populated areas for electricity production.  Nope, fossel fuel electricy is produced near populated areas.  Fossil fuel electricy is produced much nearer the user than wind and solar.

Now, since PJ seems to know so much about California rooftop solar, what percentage of state power comes from rooftops.......and don't use the age old Lyin' Liberal nameplate capacity?  I want actual production.  Anyone who's paying attention (and that ain't Liberals), knows that fossil fuel power and nuclear power plants produce very near nameplate capacity.  On the other hand, large wind and solar installations produce closer to 30% of nameplate capacity.  Liberals throw nameplate around willy nilly, and never address the actual reality of production.  Don't even get me started on rootop solar.

https://www.chooseenergy.com/data-center/electricity-sources-by-state/#:~:text=How%20the%20states%20stack%20up,energy%20production%20in%20the%20U.S.

Boiler doesn't want to talk about rooftop solar because he's completely ignorant about it. No surprise.