Originally posted by: tom
Why would they know the PIN of a stolen card?
Wow nobody would ever think to steal a PIN number.
In 2024, the Consumer Sentinel Network reported over 6.47 million reports related to fraud and identity theft, indicating a significant increase in such incident
kevin is an idiot
Trump is a criminal.
Sometimes what happens is an elderly, disabled, or hospitalized beneficiary will have a family member that has been helping them. They go shopping and/or go to the ATM for them etc so they have the pin number.
For some benefits a card isn't needed and money is sent directly to a bank account. Sometimes the bank account is a joint account with a family member.
When someone dies word doesn't always get to the proper channels. sometimes this delay takes weeks or months, sometimes it's years.
Originally posted by: tom
Why would they know the PIN of a stolen card?
Wow nobody would ever think to steal a PIN number.
In 2024, the Consumer Sentinel Network reported over 6.47 million reports related to fraud and identity theft, indicating a significant increase in such incident
kevin is an idiot
You scurried around the Internet until you found a Tom-stat that has nothing to do with SNAP fraud.
I can't help but remark on the childish English errors. Also, who the fuck is the "Consumer Sentinel Network" and where did they get their data?
At least, try a little harder. You're embarrassing yourself.
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
Sometimes what happens is an elderly, disabled, or hospitalized beneficiary will have a family member that has been helping them. They go shopping and/or go to the ATM for them etc so they have the pin number.
For some benefits a card isn't needed and money is sent directly to a bank account. Sometimes the bank account is a joint account with a family member.
When someone dies word doesn't always get to the proper channels. sometimes this delay takes weeks or months, sometimes it's years.
This is a very rational take. Thanks.
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
Sometimes what happens is an elderly, disabled, or hospitalized beneficiary will have a family member that has been helping them. They go shopping and/or go to the ATM for them etc so they have the pin number.
For some benefits a card isn't needed and money is sent directly to a bank account. Sometimes the bank account is a joint account with a family member.
When someone dies word doesn't always get to the proper channels. sometimes this delay takes weeks or months, sometimes it's years.
Of course. But MAGA bleats that those family members go on using their SNAP cards/benefits after their loved one's death. Obviously, that sometimes happens. But it's rare. Most people, even Republicans, are fundamentally honest.
Well, maybe not Republicans so much.
How 'bout we get rid of the orange fuckface who is making people desperate enough to use someone else's benefits in order to be able to eat?
The only for certain recipient of information that a person has died is SSA, which is notified by the funeral home, usually. But one should call SSA yourself to be sure.
If a recipient dies, it is up to the that person's family member to notify the county or state social services of the death of a SNAP recipient. Presentation of a death certificate is required. It is recommended that family obtain 10-20 copies of the death certificate, which often the funeral home provides free of charge or for cost. I forget how much, but good to have those ready because every 'account' that is closed requires presentation of a death certificate. Easier to get through the funeral home.
Somewhere in my life I thought that banks screen newspaper obituaries and other sources to automatically cancel (or somehow put a hold on) an account of someone who has died. This is NOT true!
I have a lot of auto pay accounts which are debited from two banks. I just had my brother named as my POD (pay on death) at both bank accounts of husband and me. Had to have husband's name removed from the accounts, had to bring in death certificates for that, then have my brother put on record as my POD. Now my he can go in the banks and close my accounts when I die (gulp!), collect what's left, and the money not keep being debited by cc, utilities, cable, etc.
If you have property and cars in just your spouse name, get those changed to your name also. If only the spouse name is on the title, etc., you'll have to get that changed before you can be the owner on the title and be able to sell the car, etc.
Sorry to divert from the topic, but might be helpful to somebody.
Candy
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
The only for certain recipient of information that a person has died is SSA, which is notified by the funeral home, usually. But one should call SSA yourself to be sure.
If a recipient dies, it is up to the that person's family member to notify the county or state social services of the death of a SNAP recipient. Presentation of a death certificate is required. It is recommended that family obtain 10-20 copies of the death certificate, which often the funeral home provides free of charge or for cost. I forget how much, but good to have those ready because every 'account' that is closed requires presentation of a death certificate. Easier to get through the funeral home.
Somewhere in my life I thought that banks screen newspaper obituaries and other sources to automatically cancel (or somehow put a hold on) an account of someone who has died. This is NOT true!
I have a lot of auto pay accounts which are debited from two banks. I just had my brother named as my POD (pay on death) at both bank accounts of husband and me. Had to have husband's name removed from the accounts, had to bring in death certificates for that, then have my brother put on record as my POD. Now my he can go in the banks and close my accounts when I die (gulp!), collect what's left, and the money not keep being debited by cc, utilities, cable, etc.
If you have property and cars in just your spouse name, get those changed to your name also. If only the spouse name is on the title, etc., you'll have to get that changed before you can be the owner on the title and be able to sell the car, etc.
Sorry to divert from the topic, but might be helpful to somebody.
Candy
I don't know about other states, but in Oregon, state agencies that dispense benefits such as SNAP and Medicare are automatically notified by local authorities whenever a death certificate is issued. The rolls of beneficiaries' are audited every month.
A relative recently died in Arizona, and the process was the same. Her accounts with state benefits agencies were automatically closed. We didn't have to do anything to inform them.
Miller's absurd copied claim that Trump is ending SNAP fraud is a ludicrous lie. He's not doing diddly squat. Overall cutting back benefits doesn't help to curtail fraud. And he hasn't increased auditing or scrutiny of beneficiary rolls, which is a function performed at the state, not the federal level.
Oh, and the easy way to avoid all those procedures you recommend is to make sure you die flat broke. 😁
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
I don't know about other states, but in Oregon, state agencies that dispense benefits such as SNAP and Medicare are automatically notified by local authorities whenever a death certificate is issued. The rolls of beneficiaries' are audited every month.
A relative recently died in Arizona, and the process was the same. Her accounts with state benefits agencies were automatically closed. We didn't have to do anything to inform them.
Miller's absurd copied claim that Trump is ending SNAP fraud is a ludicrous lie. He's not doing diddly squat. Overall cutting back benefits doesn't help to curtail fraud. And he hasn't increased auditing or scrutiny of beneficiary rolls, which is a function performed at the state, not the federal level.
Oh, and the easy way to avoid all those procedures you recommend is to make sure you die flat broke. 😁
Flat broke sounds good, if it happened because I spent my last days on a full service resort on a lovely island. LOL
Yes, in some states get the notification to SNAP, but it can be delayed several months, which could result in overpayment and a pay-back hassle.
In some cases the notification may not be required until the next recert period, which could account for some of those "186,000" show up as receiving the benefit after death, which really isn't much of a big number considering. Still, there could be a pay-back required.
Candy
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Flat broke sounds good, if it happened because I spent my last days on a full service resort on a lovely island. LOL
Yes, in some states get the notification to SNAP, but it can be delayed several months, which could result in overpayment and a pay-back hassle.
In some cases the notification may not be required until the next recert period, which could account for some of those "186,000" show up as receiving the benefit after death, which really isn't much of a big number considering. Still, there could be a pay-back required.
Candy
I looked it up. In Oregon, 0.7% of SNAP accounts show at least one charge after the holder's death. In the majority of cases, there is only that one charge.
Let's give David's rando Fakebook asshole stat the respect it doesn't deserve. 437 trillion dead people on the rolls, and they're all ILLEGULS and vote Democrat, as he stupidly said.
OK, the number "reported* is 186,000. Multiply that by 0.007, extrapolating the Oregon figure. I get 1,302.
The average SNAP recipient gets right about $200 per month. So this means that just over $260,000 gets mistakenly paid out to deceased beneficiaries every month.
Trump's war is costing over $100 million a day.
Trump's golden throne room will cost $0.4 billion.
David is choosing the wrong "fraud" to get his panties twisted about.
I did some tom math on this, I'm sure this will make him feel better about this terrible fraud.
There are 41.7 million SNAP recipients; these dead folks represent .0046% of SNAP recipients.
Insignificant, wouldn't everyone agree?
