tRump criminal indictment released.

David...I answered that for you specifically some time back in an earlier thread. For me, his behavior surrounding Jan. 6 was my main objection, along with some other character mannerisims that I 

can't ascribe to ( self-aggrandizement as an example). As I told you in that earlier thread way back, I agreed with several of his fiscal and defense policies and fully understand why those policies are supported by some strong  conservatives and their votes. I'm pretty well situated firmly on the right in those areas. Further, there's something admirable about his will to fight convention and the swamp that I always liked. In the end, I can't cast a vote for him myself, but I can understand from a policy standpoint why you will..if he's around. Fair enough?

Trump once said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."

And Charles Higgins would be standing on the street corner saying, "Gosh, I don't know who to believe."

What's your manipulative insinuation with the above, Beulah? I'm voting otherwise..and that ain't enough for your sorry ass?  I just don't think the US Govt and it's Dem bureaucracy has treated the guy with the same scrutiny that they have regarding their own members errors. Nothing you say will alter that. You should expect that from an average conservative. Rutabaga?

   Charles, I respect your right to your reasons. Speaking only for myself, Jan 6 was/is an aberration that became what it was because of the circumstances that led up to the event. I fail to understand why Trump's request for the National Guard went unheeded. I saw the video where he asked those going to the capital to "go peacefully". The riot were not instigated by him - it was a reaction by many who did not agree with the election result. His "self aggrandizement" events were, in my estimation, were his way of showing the nation that one did not need to belong to the corrupt machine that our government has become in order to get things done. He was giving the finger to the establishment each and every time he lived up to his promises and, of course, they did not like being shown up for the criminals that they are. Think about that. That man did so many things that were right for America and all the media and the corrupt DemocRats did (and continue to do) to tear the man down with lie after lie. Now we have a brain dead puppet residing in the White House, tearing America apart. America was so much better off when President Trump was in office - I will vote for him in 2024.

Well, he's been indicted once again with this latest thing. If he's convicted, he'll pay some form of as yet unknown price. As I said, I've a problem with his  character ( the thread reply to David, etc.)..and I will vote otherwise. You're not going to like my alternate choice, regardless. *l*

You believe that Obama experienced the same level/degree of overall blowback / contention that Trump did?  With the general overall media on his side of the foxhole? Your prerogative..I disagree.

Just as a side note, McConnell has never blown my dress up ( as a conservative); he's weak , imo. And it should be no surprise to anybody that that little ancient worm would sell his mother to preserve his power podium ( the SCOTUS reference).

Anything else?

That argument is like saying history didn't treat FDR as harshly as it treated Stalin. There was a REASON why Trump was heavily scrutinized and criticized. That reason was...he was (and still is) an incompetent, evil, self-aggrandizing asshole. And yes, Obama wasn't!

The fact of the matter--the sad fact--is that the very behavior and characteristics that make Trump so abhorrent to good and sane people make him attractive to millions of people who are neither good nor sane. To that effect, he's the symptom, not the disease. If not him, there would be some other race-baiting, conspiracy theory-pitching demagogue riling up the goobers. Why YOU--who at least appear to be sane--are, or at least were, attracted to him is your own business and a function of a darkness in your soul that we need not discuss.

Your contention that Trump has been treated unfairly by the media (that gol-durn LIBURRUL MEDIA) is so laughable, coming from you it sounds much more like a self-justification. Why didn't you loathe him from the start? Because poor Trumpy-poo was beaten up by the evil media. Oooookay.

But really--his fiscal policies? Slashing government revenues and creating a massive deficit? Da Wall rather than a sane and humane immigration policy? His defense policies--almost starting a war with Iran, climbing into bed with North Korea? REALLY???? But (sigh)...it's your prerogative, to nurture an alternate version of reality, which is pretty much a mandatory membership qualification to belong to the Trumper RepubliQ these days.

I've talked with hundreds of people whose Trumpy worship and allegiance were disgusting but perhaps inevitable and even understandable. Then, there were dozens of other folks whose devotion to the Turd was puzzling and disappointing. I can't help but think of all the ordinary, GOOD Germans who fell in love with a madman and happily helped him drive their country over a cliff. I'm sure they had their very logical, very well-reasoned motives for supporting him. And I'm sure many of those reasons were his fiscal and foreign policies!

So...I consider your anything but full-throated condemnation of Trump from the get-go to be disappointing. I hope you see that as a compliment. Davey Dog, Boilerboob, stupid Tommie-poo, their Trump-licking is sickening but to be expected. But I would hope that someone with your intellect would be made of sterner stuff. However--you're a good German. Sigh.

Charles, if there are any Democrats who willfully stole government property, including top secret nuclear and defense docs, refused to return them under subpoena, conspired with attorneys and even their butler to obstruct justice, and knowingly showed unauthorized persons the contents of confidential government property, and you have EVIDENCE of such, please list them below.

Sorry about the evidence thing, cupcake. I bet that spoils everything, doesn't it?

Don't forget the RepubliQ double standard: "It's OK if WE do it."

Florida Rep. Mike Waltz slams the indictment of Donald Trump  -- https://www.facebook.com/reel/930086318215093

The evidence in the indictment you pointed out, if true and proved at trial, is damning. We'll see. Pre-trial, you're already convinced every shred of evidence in this indictment document regarding Trump is fact ( simply because it is Trump) , but the trial hasn't happened yet and you're already hanging him from a political yardarm  ( simply because , again, it's Trump). You don't know all the facts/ evidence (were you at Mar- a- Lago?), and I don't know either. I won't defend his actions if these allegations are proven in court and the jury convicts him. If that latter statement is really what you're manipulatively seeking, there it is.

No, I don't have evidence of similar crimes by Democrats. But there are a lot of issues asociated with them them to question of late, imo. There's more than a modicum of suggestion that the DOJ and FBI are biased in favor of the current administration. Those issues are debated daily in here and everywhere else..I won't name them because it's pointless..ultimately. Make your own choices and vote your own ticket, Beulah Buttercup.