This private pre-college school in Miami will not hire teachers who get the COIVD vaccine
It costs you 30k/year to send your kid to this nut-house where the the administrators have cited a debunked conspiracy theory regarding vaccinated people's impact on the reproductive system of those they come into contact with,.
Got that? They believe its possible that people who are vaccinated can sterilize the reproductive system of girls who get stand to close to them. 30k to send your kid here.
Well, let's see, then...if 70% of the population is vaccinated...and if they sterilize everyone with whom they come in contact...then we will achieve "herd sterility."
How very...Florida.
Cheaper than birth control.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
This private pre-college school in Miami will not hire teachers who get the COIVD vaccine
It costs you 30k/year to send your kid to this nut-house where the the administrators have cited a debunked conspiracy theory regarding vaccinated people's impact on the reproductive system of those they come into contact with,.
Got that? They believe its possible that people who are vaccinated can sterilize the reproductive system of girls who get stand to close to them. 30k to send your kid here.
Just when you think the repukes couldn't get any dumber,they do.
Originally posted by: bbking
Just when you think the repukes couldn't get any dumber,they do.
I think that Republican stupidity is pretty much infinite. What worries me is that twenty years from now, the shit they're currently pitching will seem rational by comparison. They're sliding down the well-greased slope to complete nutjobbery.
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
What is criminally liable, at least in the US, is performing, even to the point of touching, medical intervention on a person without their consent. It is called assault. Can't recall if transmitting AIDS to someone without their consent, as in not informing a sex partner one has AIDS and the male not wearing a condom ever succeeded in the courts. Charlie Sheen's women who were exposed (personally I think that could be called reckless endangerment, but I'm no lawyer) are still alive as far as I know but can't recall if any of them took Charlie to court on it, or were successful in getting a judgment. Now there are drugs to treat AIDS and effectively almost, but not totally, cure it. Again, it depends on the patient being compliant with the medication. AIDS meds were pretty draconian at first but are better now as far as side effects, or so I'm told.
So, back to Covid, nobody can force anyone to take the vaccine (or even be tested). Hospitals and other organizations are exploring this but they won't succeed, just like with Flu vaccine, no hospital can legally require an employee (or patient) to take Flu vaccine, even though most provide it free at the business. They can insist employees who won't take the flu shot to wear a mask while on duty, things like that, but not sure how successful that has been, if at all. TB is the only one I can recall that mandated certain actions (back in the '50s when people had a conscience), such as reporting to the local Health Department where they are given medications to take for like a year or more. I can't recall how that is enforced, but who doesn't want your TB to be cured?. Way early on before meds, TB patients were required to report to a sanitarium and stay there for however long. TB was virtually eliminated in the US until AIDS came along, they came in contact with someone from a foreign country who had latent (or even active) TB, so TB came back with a vengence, at least in the AIDS population.
We still had to take the TB skin test every year at work. If positive you had to go to the Health Department and they did the followup, including CXRs, dispensing one's medications, etc. It was, I remember being told, a condition of employment. I think we took a (TB skin test) with a pre-employment physical, so if someone refused the skin test at that point they simply weren't elegible to be hired in the first place. Maybe something can/will come about in regard to being tested for Covid-19 before being hired, which could be an incentive to be tested and maybe even take the vaccine. I don't know, just imagining. Sorry to go on so long.
Candy
I wanted to address the part about nobody can make you take a vaccine. That is untrue. Under current law, any person that is an essential worker including those that work in a hospital can be ordered by their employer to get the COVID vaccine. If they don't, they can be fired for cause.
Furthermore, once the COVID vaccines receive FDA approval, any employer can require any employee to get the vaccine as a condition of ongoing employment. Employers have a legal responsibility to provide a safe workplace for all their employees. If a business deals with the public, there is also a legal obligation to keep its patrons safe.
The smart thing going forward post-approval would be for every employer to mandate every employee get the vaccine that way they wouldn't get sued if an employee or customer gets COVID from one of their employees.
Personally, I am tired of these hedonistic conservatives. They whine like banshees about masks but yet are unwilling to get a vaccine so people can quit having to wear masks.
Plus, they are the world's biggest freeloaders. They want everybody else to get the vaccine so we can get herd immunity.
I think what should happen within the next 6 months is a requirement that people be vaccinated if they want to board a plane, take a cruise or utilize any other transportation regulated by the Federal Government. Kids/Teens should be required to be vaccinated by the start of next school year if they want to enroll.
Well, Mark, no disrespect, but I'm doubtful that things have progressed already to the point of being able to LEGALLY require employees to take the Covid-19 vaccine. Ordered to take it, sure they can try, and some will take it if ordered to, but there will be some who have their shyster on speed dial.
Yes, it might be written in as a condition of employment, but company policies go through years of scrutiny by their attorneys before being implemented (and still they screw up, but I digress). Easy enough to 'non-select' at time of application for employment. Don't present evidence of vaccination? Sorry Charlie. Termination of 'tenured' employees, not so simple in concept.
And 'exemptions' to be written in those policy drafts will keep the suits and attorneys up at night.
Employee unions...will they support those who refuse the vaccine? Or will they support the policies designed to protect each other (and patients, in a hospital) by requiring vaccination.
In my career, I was always surprised when the union 'ruled' in favor of misbehaving employees, even when that misbehaviour compromised patient care.
And BTW, will they require patients to take the vaccine if they haven't already? Oh, boy. Another legal conundrum.
Candy
Candy, there are tons of articles available on this very issue. The general consensus is that employers can mandate employees get the COVID vaccine under the EUA and then under the FDA once the vaccinations are approved.
The CDC says:
The federal government does not mandate (require) vaccination for individuals. For some healthcare workers or essential employees, a state or local government or employer, for example, may require or mandate that workers be vaccinated as a matter of state or other law. Check with your employer to see if they have any rules that apply to you.
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The only outs for those that don't want to take it when their employers require it is if they have a medical condition that falls under the ADA and the vaccine would interfere with that disability or they have a deeply held religious belief that doesn't allow them to take vaccines. In either case, they would have to present documentation and then the employer could still deny the exemption if it is an undue burden on the employer.
But hey, if individual MAGA wants to set aside millions to litigate something like this on a case-by-case basis more power to them. The reality is the employers hold all the cards here.
And yes employers can require you to get a flu shot.
Under most circumstances, it is legal for a business to enforce a flu shot policy. In fact, some healthcare companies have even been known to fire employees who refused to be vaccinated with the flu vaccine. While vaccine injury is rare, there are well documented cases of severe and adverse effects in some people (most notably shoulder related injuries, known as SIRVA); the main reason an employee may object to injecting a live weakened virus into their system. Unfortunately for those employees who have a fear of needles or other aversion to vaccines, an employer can still require a flu vaccine in many cases. Source
As for lawyers having to spend years to go through things, this is already settled law. Employers can currently mandate different sorts of vaccines so there is a need to reinvent the legal wheel with the COVID vaccine. If anything the argument is much stronger, given the seriousness of COVID vs the Flu.
But...but...the wisest man in the world, Donald J. Trump, got the vaccine, said it is safe, and urged everyone to get it...so why isn't the MAGA crowd busting down the door trying to get their shots?
No employer will restrain an employee to administer a vaccine ( or any treatment) being refused. Terminate? Yes, but that will be slippery. Not likely. Re-assigned maybe, to protect vulnerable co-workers or patients.
And I can guess that the very employee who gives a medical reason for refusing the shot, legit or not, but accepts it under duress (like, take the shot or be fired), will be the very one in a hundred thousand who has a debilitating or even lethal reaction.
Candy
