2014***ObamaCare***2014

Good news Boilerman!! If you want to keep your lying sleazy good friend, you can keep your lying sleazy good friend.

According to a really dishonest guy named Nick:


And at healthcare.gov: Family Coverage >> Health >> Illinois >> Cook or Du Page counties >> Person #1 age: 54 >> Person #2 age: 53 >> Person #3 age: 19 >> No employer health coverage available >> $100,000 income (no subsidy available), the OBAMACARE price:

EXTRA ! EXTRA ! READ ALL ABOUT IT !

President Obama [AKA He-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed] has once again unilaterally changed his THE OBAMACARE to suit his political purposes.

Such imperial benevolence is not unprecedented:
"Originally, employers with the equivalent of 50 full-time workers or more had to offer [Obamacare] coverage or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 per worker beginning in 2014.
That so-called employer mandate was seen as a cornerstone provision in the law's goal of expanding insurance coverage to millions of Americans this year. But last summer the administration announced a surprise one-year reprieve in enforcement of the requirement, from 2014 to 2015."

Now He-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed. upon hearing the pleas from His People, i.e. Democrat officeholders facing elections in 2014 less than two months after cancellation notices would be received by potential voters if the employer mandate were not delayed, has decreed :
" . . . employers with between 50 and 99 full-time workers won't have to comply with the law's requirement to provide insurance or pay a fee until 2016.
Companies with 100 workers or more could avoid penalties in 2015 if they showed they were offering coverage to at least 70 percent of their full-time workers . . ."



"SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, . . . SO LET IT BE DONE"
__Obama I
1. Republicans say that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!
2. Republicans say that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!

Both of these things cannot be true.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
1. Republicans say that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!
2. Republicans say that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!

Both of these things cannot be true.
DonDiego is impressed with the speed at which forkushV can respond with the Administration talking points. The Daily KOS must've informed its readers of the likelihood of this change in Obamacare.

But DonDiego offers to correct forkushV's misapprehension; DonDiego does not think as forkushV suggests.
1. DonDiego believes the employer mandate is very bad policy for the Country and its citizens.
2. DonDiego believes the Obamacare Care legislation is the Law of the Land; the President does not have the Constitutional Power to amend the Congressional Law at his whim. Permitting the President to do so is bad policy for the Country and its citizens.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
1. Republicans say that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!
2. Republicans say that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!

Both of these things cannot be true.
DonDiego is impressed with the speed at which forkushV can respond with the Administration talking points. The Daily KOS must've informed its readers of the likelihood of this change in Obamacare.

But DonDiego offers to correct forkushV's misapprehension; DonDiego does not think as forkushV suggests.
1. DonDiego believes the employer mandate is very bad policy for the Country and its citizens.
2. DonDiego believes the Obamacare Care legislation is the Law of the Land; the President does not have the Constitutional Power to amend the Congressional Law at his whim. Permitting the President to do so is bad policy for the Country and its citizens.
Okay, lets see if I got this right.

1. DonDiego says that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE.
2. DonDiego says that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE - because Constitution.

DonDiego should refrain from stating this opinion as a fact, since he was so, so wrong about the constitutionality of Obamacare last time out.
I agree that it's troubling whenever a President, in executing the laws that Congress passes, does so in a manner that seems inconsistent with the law.

Having said that, and as a person who can still recall how bound to Congress' will the Cheney Administration was, I do recognize that our Presidents have always used some leeway in putting Congress' intentions into effect.

The Obama Administration seems both cautious and smart to me. If they're varying from the law, you can be sure they're doing it in a way that they think is legal.

I hear a lot of bellyaching about these things, but I'm not seeing much suing. Other than the recess appointments that he made to the NLRB, the legality of which remains to be seen.

If Republicans truly hate President Obama's decision today to delay aspects of the ACA's employer mandate for a year, they should sue him and force him to impose the mandate. Which of course would be awesome.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
1. Republicans say that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!
2. Republicans say that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE!

Both of these things cannot be true.
DonDiego is impressed with the speed at which forkushV can respond with the Administration talking points. The Daily KOS must've informed its readers of the likelihood of this change in Obamacare.

But DonDiego offers to correct forkushV's misapprehension; DonDiego does not think as forkushV suggests.
1. DonDiego believes the employer mandate is very bad policy for the Country and its citizens.
2. DonDiego believes the Obamacare Care legislation is the Law of the Land; the President does not have the Constitutional Power to amend the Congressional Law at his whim. Permitting the President to do so is bad policy for the Country and its citizens.


The president has discretion to enforce laws. Another Example... He has chosen not to enforce war crimes charges against members of the previous administration who openly confess to ordering torture on captured combatants.


But I actually agree with Don diego. The employer mandate should be enforced .... And if employers want to make a fuss about giving their workers access to medical care then I say cry me a river. Ill try really hard to give a crap.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Okay, lets see if I got this right.

1. DonDiego says that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE.
2. DonDiego says that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE - because Constitution.

DonDiego should refrain from stating this opinion as a fact, since he was so, so wrong about the constitutionality of Obamacare last time out.

i. This is what happens when someone with a different opinion tells others what someone's opinion is. He misstates it, intentionally.
DonDiego explicitly did not say anything is "HORRIBLE".

ii. DonDiego still believes Obamacare itself is Unconstitutional; he opines the the Court's decision was too limited to the "tax question". He was most careful to never predict the Court's opinion.
DonDiego is not forbidden to hold the hope that it may yet fail a court test. Even President Roosevelt's National Recovery Act which authorized the Government to administer privately owned resources and factories was ruled Unconstitutional eventually.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I agree that it's troubling whenever a President, in executing the laws that Congress passes, does so in a manner that seems inconsistent with the law.

Having said that, and as a person who can still recall how bound to Congress' will the Cheney Administration was, I do recognize that our Presidents have always used some leeway in putting Congress' intentions into effect.

The Obama Administration seems both cautious and smart to me. If they're varying from the law, you can be sure they're doing it in a way that they think is legal.

If Republicans truly hate President Obama's decision today to delay aspects of the ACA's employer mandate for a year, they should sue him and force him to impose the mandate. Which of course would be awesome.

i. DonDiego agrees the President's execution of Obamacare seems inconsistent with the Law.

ii.a. There was no Cheney Administration; stating there was is false and informs the reader more about the poster's bias than about reality.
Nonetheless, DonDiego supposes the answer to the Zen koan "If all your friends jumped off a bridge then would you too?" posed to him by his Mother on more than one occasion applies to all prior administrations' behavior.
ii.b. DonDiego opines "leeway" does not include changing dates explicitly included in the Law pertaining to implementation.

iii. DonDiego is not sure the Obama Administration believes it is behaving legally; saying he can be sure does not make it so.

iv. DonDiego concurs that interested parties should sue the President for failing to execute the Law. For the record, . . . again, . . . DonDiego does not act out of hate.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Okay, lets see if I got this right.

1. DonDiego says that the employer mandate is HORRIBLE.
2. DonDiego says that delaying the employer mandate is HORRIBLE - because Constitution.

DonDiego should refrain from stating this opinion as a fact, since he was so, so wrong about the constitutionality of Obamacare last time out.

i. This is what happens when someone with a different opinion tells others what someone's opinion is. He misstates it, intentionally.
DonDiego explicitly did not say anything is "HORRIBLE".

ii. DonDiego still believes Obamacare itself is Unconstitutional; he opines the the Court's decision was too limited to the "tax question". He was most careful to never predict the Court's opinion.
DonDiego is not forbidden to hold the hope that it may yet fail a court test. Even President Roosevelt's National Recovery Act which authorized the Government to administer privately owned resources and factories was ruled Unconstitutional eventually.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I agree that it's troubling whenever a President, in executing the laws that Congress passes, does so in a manner that seems inconsistent with the law.

Having said that, and as a person who can still recall how bound to Congress' will the Cheney Administration was, I do recognize that our Presidents have always used some leeway in putting Congress' intentions into effect.

The Obama Administration seems both cautious and smart to me. If they're varying from the law, you can be sure they're doing it in a way that they think is legal.

If Republicans truly hate President Obama's decision today to delay aspects of the ACA's employer mandate for a year, they should sue him and force him to impose the mandate. Which of course would be awesome.

i. DonDiego agrees the President's execution of Obamacare seems inconsistent with the Law.

ii.a. There was no Cheney Administration; stating there was is false and informs the reader more about the poster's bias than about reality.
Nonetheless, DonDiego supposes the answer to the Zen koan "If all your friends jumped off a bridge then would you too?" posed to him by his Mother on more than one occasion applies to all prior administrations' behavior.
ii.b. DonDiego opines "leeway" does not include changing dates explicitly included in the Law pertaining to implementation.

iii. DonDiego is not sure the Obama Administration believes it is behaving legally; saying he can be sure does not make it so.

iv. DonDiego concurs that interested parties should sue the President for failing to execute the Law. For the record, . . . again, . . . DonDiego does not act out of hate.


When I see wording like this I think the same can be said about DonDiego's Bias

"EXTRA ! EXTRA ! READ ALL ABOUT IT !

President Obama [AKA He-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed] has once again unilaterally changed his THE OBAMACARE to suit his political purposes.

Such imperial benevolence is not unprecedented:
"Originally, employers with the equivalent of 50 full-time workers or more had to offer [Obamacare] coverage or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 per worker beginning in 2014.
That so-called employer mandate was seen as a cornerstone provision in the law's goal of expanding insurance coverage to millions of Americans this year. But last summer the administration announced a surprise one-year reprieve in enforcement of the requirement, from 2014 to 2015."

Now He-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed. upon hearing the pleas from His People, i.e. Democrat officeholders facing elections in 2014 less than two months after cancellation notices would be received by potential voters if the employer mandate were not delayed, has decreed :
" . . . employers with between 50 and 99 full-time workers won't have to comply with the law's requirement to provide insurance or pay a fee until 2016.
Companies with 100 workers or more could avoid penalties in 2015 if they showed they were offering coverage to at least 70 percent of their full-time workers . . ."

In all honesty DD I would be much more receptive to the point you are trying to make if you would drop the rhetoric.

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Originally posted by: Tutontow

In all honesty DD I would be much more receptive to the point you are trying to make if you would drop the rhetoric.

But, . . . but, . . . poor old DonDiego wants to have fun too.
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