Affordable Care Act NEW TAXES

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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I think we can safely say it's at least as accurate as this:

“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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I think we can safely say it's at least as accurate as this:

“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

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Actually, the woman cited by Republicans in their official SOTU Response would save over $3500 in premiums. But I'm not one to use anecdotes to make broad points. I'll leave that to our board's resident conservatives.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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I think we can safely say it's at least as accurate as this:

“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

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Actually, the woman cited by Republicans in their official SOTU Response would save over $3500 in premiums. But I'm not one to use anecdotes to make broad points. I'll leave that to our board's resident conservatives.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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I think we can safely say it's at least as accurate as this:

“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

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Actually, the woman cited by Republicans in their official SOTU Response would save over $3500 in premiums. But I'm not one to use anecdotes to make broad points. I'll leave that to our board's resident conservatives.

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That's great PJ..because we don't need to use any anecdotes whatsoever on this one. We know the exact methodology Candidate Obama used to develop his $2500 for a typical family per year number. Here's what he did. "Estimated the Annual Savings due to Obamacare to be $220 Billion Per year. The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down to $2,500."

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We know that the ACA is expected to add 621 Billion Dollars to Health Care Spending by 2022.
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/Downloads/Proj2012.pdf

So now we can simply apply the tried and true Obama Estimator Methodolgy and say with great confidence that the 'Typical Family' must bear the burden of $7000 of additional health care spending over the next ten years. (I rounded down from $7056).

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Originally posted by: alanleroy

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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Now lets see if you can stay on topic....is that assertion remotely accurrate of the tax implications on the average American? Do you want to weigh in on that or would you rather declare victory based upon your grammar correction?

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I think we can safely say it's at least as accurate as this:

“In an Obama administration, we’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year….. We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

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Actually, the woman cited by Republicans in their official SOTU Response would save over $3500 in premiums. But I'm not one to use anecdotes to make broad points. I'll leave that to our board's resident conservatives.

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That's great PJ..because we don't need to use any anecdotes whatsoever on this one. We know the exact methodology Candidate Obama used to develop his $2500 for a typical family per year number. Here's what he did. "Estimated the Annual Savings due to Obamacare to be $220 Billion Per year. The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down to $2,500."

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

We know that the ACA is expected to add 621 Billion Dollars to Health Care Spending by 2022.
https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/Downloads/Proj2012.pdf

So now we can simply apply the tried and true Obama Estimator Methodolgy and say with great confidence that the 'Typical Family' must bear the burden of $7000 of additional health care spending over the next ten years. (I rounded down from $7056).

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I don't know how to respond to someone who accuses the president of lying and then uses the same arithmetic to make an assertion

The bill that passed into law was not the same plan the president campaigned on - that's the price of living in a Democracy instead of a Dictatorship. We've already touched on the way the new law is paid for. Don't you remember? You preached to us about it from your ivory tower when we ignored the links to it after the after the outrageous statement about implications on "average families".

Your new conclusion about "typical families" is no less outrageous. Just ask Bette (the SOTU lady)...but I'm sure she appreciates your efforts. She prefers made up stuff over facts too.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, has Obama violated the Constitution by making changes to Obamacare and other laws? If not, please tell me what, if any, Constitutional limitations apply to our King.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, has Obama violated the Constitution by making changes to Obamacare and other laws? If not, please tell me what, if any, Constitutional limitations apply to our King.

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President Obama has issued executive orders at the lowest rate since President Cleveland was in office in the 1800s.





Watch how none of the resident wing-nuts here change their minds one bit. Facts play no role in what they believe.

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