Bikers and the laws of physics

Poetic Justice.

25 guns vs 1 gun = a certain victory for the one gun.

It's a little disconcerting to see the math skills of some NRA members. Makes me wonder about other things, like maybe judgement.

Probably unrelated.

I do want to clear up my own answer a little bit.

When put in the position of the driver of the SUV in that video I would defend myself and family to the best of my ability. That said I would not purposefully run anyone over or even "push back" any more than necessary to neutralize the situation. My goal would always be to exit as quickly and safely as possible.

Not everyone has the mental or physical ability to aggressively defend themselves. Each individual must know their own limitations and act accordingly.

My reason for posting to this topic was the (my perceived) tone of previous post' regarding guns. If a person does not believe they should have or use a firearm then by all means, don't have one. However, I take great umbrage in someone telling me I cannot protect myself and my family in the best way I see fit.

And to answer the counterpoint ahead of turn: There will ALWAYS and FOREVER be armed, aggressive "bad guys" no matter what you do to disarm them. I am a firm believer in equal armament leading to détente on all levels of human existence.

Actually, math has very little to do with a fluid aggressive situation. I have been in these situations before. If you want to use the math I will assert that the 25 to 1 is still odds on in my favor. But I know my abilities and limitations. If you were in the situation, Well, only you can answer that.

Perhaps I am wrong about your judgment, but it seems very narrow minded and naïve.

Bringing up the NRA smacks of an anti gun bent to your post. I myself am NOT a member of the NRA or any other pro gun organization. ( Unless you count several Semper Fi charities and Marine Corps alumni organizations.)

I am very narrow minded when it comes to math. In any situation regardless of fluidity 25 is more than 1. Maybe I am being naive but I like the odds of the 25.

I'm not opposed to gun ownership, I own a gun. But some of the responses on page one are bizzare and unrealistic and based on what someone heard from a co-worker. CowboyKell seems to have put more thought into his response, but that 25 vs1 ratio actually only works in the movies. Only bad things happen when real life people blurr the lines between fantasy and reality.

In 1980 I was running a small mining operation in New Mexico. On a Friday afternoon I was returning from the bank in town to the mine with the cash payroll for my employees. On a rural mountainous road I was suddenly overtaken and surrounded by what to me seemed like 30 motorcycles with visibly armed, Bandido color wearing riders. (it turned out to be 11). They aggressively motioned for me to pull over. I held up my pistol without aiming it at them and they all slowed and fell back.
A few moments later they all roared back up around me, several had pistols drawn. I fired one shot aiming off sight at the bike next to me's gas tank. I hit somewhere on the front of the bike. Again they all fell back. I was driving as fast as I could while ducking below the level of the seat. If they fired back they did not hit my vehicle. As I approached the limits of a small town they turned off the road and ceased following.

This was not a movie script or fantasy. Its real life and happens all the time. Also to note, these were not "young punks" on little bikes harassing drivers. they were Bandido gang members with a very violent history and reputation.

As a side note, I abandoned that truck in Santa Clara New Mexico and never went near it again. It was still there, in a vacant lot next to a roadside restaurant 6 months later when we closed the mine

If the "1" happens to be an ex-marine, I would maybe take those odds.

The fact there being in an SUV isand advantage where riding bike trying to fire a weaponn is a disadvantage, as mentioned training would paly a role in it as well.Id still take the guy in the SUV unless no one in the car could hit the broadside of a barn,but a hundred guys is a target rich area to fire on.

Im also inclined to agree, nobody wants to take the first bullet, and chances are theydback off quickly.

Just an FYI - my original comments on the participants having guns was a joke. I honestly wasn't expecting people to spend two pages playing out that hypothetical example. But, hey! This is the free-for-all section..so have at it!

I honestly never thought I would see people think shutting down the government was a good idea and not lose a minutes sleep over 800,000 people not being paid while certain members of our congress throw a tantrum and refuses to accept something as law. What next we shut down over abortion and gay rights.