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O2bnVegas
O2bnVegas
Dec 10, 2013
9:52am
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So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);

But this guy takes a couple pieces of fruit from an open hotel breakfast bar and he's a mortal sinner?

I don't get it.
forkushV
forkushV
Dec 10, 2013
11:05am
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);

But this guy takes a couple pieces of fruit from an open hotel breakfast bar and he's a mortal sinner?

I don't get it.
You forgot:

it's OK to have a profitable gambling year without getting a W-2G, but then fail to pay taxes on it.
alanleroy
alanleroy
Dec 10, 2013
12:00pm
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);

But this guy takes a couple pieces of fruit from an open hotel breakfast bar and he's a mortal sinner?

I don't get it.

Item 1 You're accepting their offer. They allow that.
Item 2 How and when you bet is entirely your business.
Item 3 They allow that. If they don't want it to happen they should kick everyone out between Lunch and Dinner.

Item 4. 'This guy' knowingly steals from them. They didn't offer it. It's not his fruit to take. They don't allow that. How is it different than stealing a couple of candy bars from the gift shop? Is that ok too. They really rip you off with those outrageous prices you know.

I think he crossed the line from taking advantage to petty theft. Does it make him a 'mortal sinner'? Of course not. It makes him a petty thief. Is it right to judge him for that without judging myself for all the stupid things I've done? If Santa can do it, so can I. Dancer's getting a lump of coal for the foreseeable future.
marlo36
marlo36
Dec 10, 2013
1:28pm
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There is much to be said about tending to the plank in one's own eye instead of the mote in someone else's eye, which is the gist of Mr. Dancer's most recent article.

In that charitable spirit, I hope that he has finally forgiven Mr. Jeffrey Warren Toll, the man with whom he partnered in a promotions scheme at a casino in Pennsylvania and whom he claims ripped him off for thousands of dollars of unclaimable cashback and slotplay money (not a particularly large amount, BTW, for Mr. Dancer). Of course, the fact that the slotplay/cashback was listed under Mr. Toll's name and that Mr. Dancer had already profited from the promotion by several thousand dollars does not detract from Mr. Toll's theft. I just hope that Mr. Dancer, after decrying Mr. Toll in two whole articles, has come to realize that he should not judge another so harshly, even in the face of thievery.

ecomstoc
ecomstoc
Dec 10, 2013
8:19pm
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I was looking to read his column to learn something about playing video poker. To think he wasted so much energy replying to something he thinks is no big deal is really weird. I assume he is not someone that you want to get in a whizzing contest with. He would have been much better served by letting all this roll off his back and not commenting. Bu that is my humble opinion and I'm not in his shoes.
clarkvegas
clarkvegas
Dec 10, 2013
10:52pm
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);


Everything you posted is a moral issue. None of it is illegal.

Stealing is a crime.

There's your difference.
forkushV
forkushV
Dec 10, 2013
11:39pm
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Originally posted by: clarkvegas
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);


Everything you posted is a moral issue. None of it is illegal.

Stealing is a crime...
So is failing to pay taxes on your $1,000 royal (assuming you end the year positive.) So what percentage of LVAers do you think are criminals by that defintition? So is playing high stakes backgammon in California, which Dancer has talked about several times without any moral scolds jumping in. Same for private poker games. Its. A. Crime.

And has anyone here ever read a blackjack book? Just about every one seems to have a story about players returning to casinos in disguise. In Las Vegas, that's criminal trespass. A crime.

So we ALL pick and choose which forms of dishonesty we condone, and yes, which petty crimes we excuse. It's the ones who don't cop to it that I really don't trust.

FrankieRizzo
FrankieRizzo
Dec 11, 2013
12:01am
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Originally posted by: marlo36
There is much to be said about tending to the plank in one's own eye instead of the mote in someone else's eye, which is the gist of Mr. Dancer's most recent article.

In that charitable spirit, I hope that he has finally forgiven Mr. Jeffrey Warren Toll, the man with whom he partnered in a promotions scheme at a casino in Pennsylvania and whom he claims ripped him off for thousands of dollars of unclaimable cashback and slotplay money (not a particularly large amount, BTW, for Mr. Dancer). Of course, the fact that the slotplay/cashback was listed under Mr. Toll's name and that Mr. Dancer had already profited from the promotion by several thousand dollars does not detract from Mr. Toll's theft. I just hope that Mr. Dancer, after decrying Mr. Toll in two whole articles, has come to realize that he should not judge another so harshly, even in the face of thievery.


Amen! Great post! Finally someone gets it right!

The way he blasted that Jeffrey Warren Toll, and now is putting this other poster that commented on blast too, he's talking out of both sides of his face.

You can't have it both ways....its either OK to steal a little here and there, or its NOT OK to steal ever.

Personally, I don't care that he stole the fruit, coffee, muffins, and/or juice, with out paying the ten bucks, but to put a poster on blast, because they gave their opinion, after you blasted another guy for stealing from you....that's just wrong.

You have to expect that the person who is helping you take advantage of a casino promotion under some one else's name (Stealing) is going to steal a little for himself as well.

--Rizzo
clarkvegas
clarkvegas
Dec 11, 2013
12:35am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: clarkvegas
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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
So...let me see if I understand this:

it's OK to double book rooms on offers, pocket the $50 Free Play from the one you don't patronize (a much admired strategy by many LVAers);

it's OK to play a few green chips while the boss is watching to pad your rating while you really play mostly reds (a much admired strategy by many readers of Max Rubin's book);

it's OK to pay for the lunch buffet but time it so you actually get the more expensive supper buffet (a much touted strategy by LVAers);


Everything you posted is a moral issue. None of it is illegal.

Stealing is a crime...
So is failing to pay taxes on your $1,000 royal (assuming you end the year positive.)


Okay? Not sure what that has to do with this post you quoted. Neither I nor the person I quoted/responded directly to mentioned that.

Roulette Man
Roulette Man
Dec 11, 2013
12:58am
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Theoretical for Forkie.

Let's say the same motel has a gift shop and sells pieces of fruit and other items that are included in the breakfast items. Would it be okay for Mr. Dancer to shoplift the same items that he took from the breakfast buffet?
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