Border Insecurity

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Breaking the law = good. Enforcing the law = bad...a xenophobic outrageous position.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
Except when it comes to Cliven Bundy, right Bob? Or YOU, when it comes to signing up for mandated health insurance.

I'm not in charge of enforcing the law. Obama, Holder, and everyone under them are in charge of enforcing the laws concerning our borders and immigration. They collectively ignore those laws...
You sure about that?


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Breaking the law = good. Enforcing the law = bad...a xenophobic outrageous position.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
Except when it comes to Cliven Bundy, right Bob? Or YOU, when it comes to signing up for mandated health insurance.

I'm not in charge of enforcing the law. Obama, Holder, and everyone under them are in charge of enforcing the laws concerning our borders and immigration. They collectively ignore those laws...
You sure about that?




When you bus someone to a border town and tell them to go home, that isn't deporting them. Actually taking them across the border would be a good start. ....and where are the charts showing the rise in illegals coming in since Obama took office?
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
If Obama were in charge of preventing future floods in New Orleans, he would build a flood wall 60% the way around the city, and he would next claim victory. He's utilized the same philosophy for keeping illegals out of America.


People who think building walls are a good solution to population migration:
1) The East Berlin Government
2) The United States Tea Party


Has PJ ever been to Europe?

Has PJ ever traveled to another country and had to show his passport or government issued id?

How about land mines between boarders PJ? Where might those now be located????

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Breaking the law = good. Enforcing the law = bad...a xenophobic outrageous position.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
Except when it comes to Cliven Bundy, right Bob? Or YOU, when it comes to signing up for mandated health insurance.

I'm not in charge of enforcing the law. Obama, Holder, and everyone under them are in charge of enforcing the laws concerning our borders and immigration. They collectively ignore those laws...
You sure about that?




When you bus someone to a border town and tell them to go home, that isn't deporting them...
Oh gawd, in BobOrme's brain, the INS is dropping the illegals off at the San Diego Zoo and booking them into the Coronado Hotel. And probably trying to sap and impurify all of his precious bodily fluids.


Many are being released with appearance tickets but they never come back for their hearings.

Meanwhile 1 marine accidently crosses the border and winds up in a Mexican jail where he has been beaten and tied to a bed; while the govt does nothing
Our resident conservatives suffer from a bad case of graph illiteracy. Luckily they have plenty of entertaining anecdotes that provide a more collective view of border security under this administration. Its like the healthcare law all over again. Ignore the data....and post a story about some guy you heard about.
From The Federation for American Immigration Reform Website :

US Mexico Border Fence and Patrol Operations (2013)


Controlling our borders was not always as great a problem as it is today. In 1965, the number of aliens apprehended by the Border Patrol coming across the border was 110,000. That number rose to more than one million annually by 1977 and has only ebbed below that level since 2007. Most of those apprehensions have been along the U.S. Mexican border. They have accounted for more than 97 percent of apprehensions until recently, and even with the recent drop they still have been more than 96 percent of total apprehensions.

Most of those apprehended on the border over the past half century have been Mexicans; about seven of eight apprehensions. This share dipped to about 82 percent in 2010 as the number of apprehended Mexicans fell more than for other nationalities. In the past, apprehended Mexican illegal entrants were taken back to legal border crossing points and sent back into Mexico. This regularly led to the alien making renewed illegal border crossings until successful in evading apprehension. This meant that the number of apprehensions did not equate with the number of persons illegally entering the country in a year, because the same person may have been apprehended multiple times in the course of the year.

The most often used points of access into the United States by illegal aliens were at El Paso, Texas and San Diego, California. Although there was fencing at those locations it stopped at the outskirts of the metropolitan area and holes were often cut in the fence. This allowed individuals — often in groups — to enter illegally and try to evade the Border Patrol.

This began to change in 1993 with an initiative in the El Paso area dubbed Operation Hold the Line which involved the Border Patrol being reconfigured along the border to deter illegal entry rather than back from the border attempting to apprehend those who had illegally entered. Fence holes that had been left open were repaired. This strategy had an immediate impact on reducing illegal entry. This success resulted in a similar strategy being applied in the San Diego sector. There were about a quarter million fewer apprehensions in 1994 than the previous year. Technology also was introduced to allow electronic fingerprinting of apprehended aliens with the idea of being able to establish whether an alien had been apprehended previously. This IDENT system was not initially successful because it was not consistently used, it was not available for search and comparison use by other sectors, and was not tied into federal fingerprint records of the FBI to reveal criminal records. Those limitations have gradually been overcome.

The effect of the new initiatives to deter illegal entry resulted in a major shift in routes of illegal entry. As illegal entry at El Paso and San Diego dropped, the number of illegal entries and apprehensions soared along the Arizona-Mexico border. This border region was for the most part wide open although a much more hostile terrain to cross.

Recent Changes

The increased national concern with illegal immigration in the 1990s that resulted in the El Paso and San Diego Border Patrol operations was heightened by passage in California of Proposition-187,a taxpayer initiative to deter illegal alien settlement in the state. Congress allotted more funding for border control and in August 1997, the INS could boast that "Since Fiscal Year (FY) 1994, the Border Patrol has grown by 63 percent, from 4,226 to more than 6,900 agents by the end of Fiscal Year 1997." The U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform also provided impetus for additional efforts to deter illegal immigration with recommendations in the mid 1990s. These developments resulted in legislation enacted in 1996 that among other measures required the establishment of an electronic method to allow employers to verify the validity of Social Security numbers of new employees and the legal work status of foreign workers.

Border control took on a heightened importance as a national security issue as a result of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. The terrorists had entered with visas, but security experts reasoned that as long as the nation’s borders were easily breached, the American public is vulnerable to future attacks. This resulted in enactment in 2006 of the Secure Fence Act which mandated the expansion of border fencing by 700 miles with a focus on Arizona’s and California’s border with Mexico.

This focus on the increased need for border security also led to a major increase in Border Patrol staffing. As of FY-2012, the staffing level was 21,394, about 87 percent on the border with Mexico. The increased staffing has been accompanied by technological increases such as long-range radar, drone surveillance, motion sensors, etc.

Other efforts to disrupt illegal entry from Mexico have included returning apprehended Mexicans to border crossing points far from where they were apprehended to disrupt their access to the smugglers who would help them reenter illegally again, and return by air to the interior of Mexico for the same reason. An initiative in the Arizona sector called Operation Streamline has introduced formal deportation proceedings against the Mexican illegal entrants so that if they return illegally they will be guilty of a felony and face imprisonment.

A consequence of the increased detection and apprehension capability of the Border Patrol has been an increased reliance on smugglers to guide illegal border crossers into the country. Alien smuggling has become so lucrative it has come to rival drug smuggling across the border and to some extent the two illicit activities have merged. The recent reduction in apprehensions has coincided both with increased border control capabilities as well as the recession and high unemployment that has decreased job opportunities for illegal aliens.

As much as border control operations have increased, the border still remains entirely unprotected in some areas where the terrain tends to be a natural barrier and in other remote areas. In other areas, such as tribal reservations and national wilderness areas, border control operations are restricted. At the end of Fiscal Year 2010, the Department of Homeland Security reported it had operational control over only 13 percent of the border, or 1,107 of the 8,607 miles across U.S. northern, southwest, and coastal borders.1 For the U.S.- Mexican border, 44 percent of the 2000-miles were under operational control. (See further discussion here.)

The extent of border control and continued illegal entry of aliens and contraband and the extent to which it represents a national security treat remain a major issue in the ongoing immigration reform debate. The proponents of an amnesty for the existing illegal alien population attempt to convince lawmakers that there is now sufficient border control overcome concerns that their proposal will lead to a further influx of illegal aliens as did the general amnesty for illegal aliens in 1986


Bob
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Originally posted by: motownbob
From The Federation for American Immigration Reform Website :...
Yep, your kind of people Bob:

"As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion?"
— Federation for American Immigration Reform founder John Tanton

"Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids?"
— John Tanton
Yet another meaningless statement ! How does a posting on the current border situation determine that I endorse some out of context statement by one of its founders ? I'll be waiting for a clarification and explanation ...


Bob
There's only so many people from Mexico and Central American we can absorb before we start to mirror those countries. You can already see the consequences by taking a look at LA. East LA is 98% Latino and no sane person would walk around at night in East LA. The NE San Fernando Valley is the same way. Heavily Latino with a large gang presence and dangerous at night. No sane person would walk around in South Central day or night. It's 65% Latino now with most of the rest of the population African-American. It's as close to a war zone as you can get in the US.
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