Corporations now have religious freedom

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Don't listed to chefantwon: Just like Hobby Lobby, Cargill is a closely-held corporation, making Cargill's 47,000 US workers potentially subject to the same religion-related perils that Hobby Lobby's employees are. "

What peril? Employees will now have to pay for the morning after pill, where they used to get it for free


Yes...and its based on policy that allows someone to come between you and your doctor. Hoops has an established record of protesting this principal...except...except....if its an employer doing it for their own religious reasons. Isn't the hypocrisy grand?


Oh no no no, HB isn't dictating what an employee can or can't do, they're simply not goign to provide certain things.

And another thing, HB employees are paid above avg. for their work. Nobody makes min. wage there so I think they could afford whatever it is they want, that is if they aren't bright enough to realize there's other ways to get it for free.

Salaries in USD United States Avg. Salary
$20k
$40k
$60k

Cashier - Hourly

42 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$9.41/hr
$8
$14

Store Manager

22 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$58,362
$50k
$68k

Co Manager

21 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$52,528
$47k
$60k

Co-Manager

19 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$50,753
$45k
$60k

Stockman - Hourly

15 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$8.68/hr
$6
$11

Department Head - Hourly

11 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$12.11/hr
$10
$14

Customer Service Manager - Hourly

11 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$11.05/hr
$8
$14

SALES CLERK - Hourly

10 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$9.68/hr
$8
$14

Assistant Manager - Hourly

10 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$12.95/hr
$11
$16

Department Head/Cashier - Hourly

10 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$9.79/hr
$7
$14

Department Manager - Hourly

9 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$12.78/hr
$9
$17

Framer - Hourly

8 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$10.63/hr
$9
$14

Associate - Hourly

8 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$11.91/hr
$9
$16

Department Supervisor - Hourly

5 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$8.75/hr
$8
$10

Custom Frame Shop Manager - Hourly

5 Hobby Lobby Salaries
$13.50/hr

They are determining the values of workers insurance policies. WORKERS INSURANCE POLICIES....not their own insurance policy.

Since Hobby is paying for the policy they should have the right to provide the benefits.

I objected to obama unilaterally changing the law that congress passed. Hobby objected to provisions in the law that violated their religious beliefs
Hobby Lobby does pay their employees well. While I disagree with them on this issue, I applaud them for their progressive values in that regard.
I understand that the morning pill costs as little as $10 and as much as $50.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Nobody is telling Hobby employees that they cannot use the morning after pill


They are determining the values of workers insurance policies. WORKERS INSURANCE POLICIES....not their own insurance policy.

Remember when Obamacare changed the nature of some insurance policies and Hoops had a fit for 6 months? I do to! And it seems pretty hilarious in retrospect.


Btw for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 time, The federal government supplies 20/20 of the birth control methods FOR FREE at planned parenthood.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Just the facts - of 20 birth control products - Hobby Lobby has an issue paying for 4 of the 20...
Looks like the Supreme Court is cool with bosses banning 20 out of 20. Ain't religious freedom wonderful?




Of course Forkie still forgets the existence of Planned Parenthood which provides birth control and abortions at no cost for women....
Source?


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linky
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: jphelan
Just the facts - of 20 birth control products - Hobby Lobby has an issue paying for 4 of the 20...
Looks like the Supreme Court is cool with bosses banning 20 out of 20. Ain't religious freedom wonderful?




Of course Forkie still forgets the existence of Planned Parenthood which provides birth control and abortions at no cost for women....
Source?


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linky
Wow, what kind of person makes shit up, and then pretends that some links actually back his claim?

Chef, you never used to be like this.
I hate to have to explain this issue, but her is how it works.
1. Planned Parenthood isn't everywhere in some cases females to would have to drive hundreds of miles to get "free" birth control.
2. Planned Parenthood generally only gives free birth control to ladies below the poverty line others pay based upon a sliding scale.
3. Getting a birth control prescription filled still requires an annual pelvic exam. Often these have to be done at a private physicians office with lab work these can easily be $300 or more.
4. If you have anything out of the ordinary at all even such things as irregular periods planned parenthood won't give you birth control until you see a specialist at your own expense.
5. The cheap type of pills that most of you are talking about do not work on every female. In fact they don't work for a lot of females. If you need something other than the cheap birth control it isn't available at planned parenthood.

Again do really want to send your wife, your daughter, another female relative or a female friend to their employer to have to talk about these kinds of issues and explain to a male employer what is going on in their sex life and please approve of their medical treatment? IMO employers don't need to be involved in an employees sex life, but this is what this decision dictates.

This is the most certifiably bizarre ruling in modern history that employs a tortured logic that intangible objects are capable of having a belief system. Hell you might as well say the Bill of Rights applies to dogs. It would make more sense than this shit.
Companies should not be forced to offer insurance. Problem solved.

The next thing you know, Liberals will demand that motor cyclists where helmets, somehow making a connection to free medical care.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Nobody is telling Hobby employees that they cannot use the morning after pill


They are determining the values of workers insurance policies. WORKERS INSURANCE POLICIES....not their own insurance policy.

Remember when Obamacare changed the nature of some insurance policies and Hoops had a fit for 6 months? I do to! And it seems pretty hilarious in retrospect.


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Originally posted by: malibber2
Again do really want to send your wife, your daughter, another female relative or a female friend to their employer to have to talk about these kinds of issues and explain to a male employer what is going on in their sex life and please approve of their medical treatment? IMO employers don't need to be involved in an employees sex life, but this is what this decision dictates.


President Obama could fix this with one stroke of the pen or regulatory rule. He only has to treat these for profit companies that are opting out of the mandate the same way he treated non-profit religious organizations that opted out of the birth control mandate. He just made the insurance companies pay for the birth control mandate.

Then, there is no "having your wife or daughter discuss their sex life with the employer". It's between the employee and the insurance company...just like it was before the ruling. If he believes it's in the best interest of women's health then by all means, he should fix this immediately. Unless he prefers a 'War on Women...or fear mongering' to actually solving a problem that is completely under his control.

And let me add that the root cause of this issue isn't Hobby Lobby or the Supreme Court. It's the way our blathering congress cobbled together Obamacare. They couldn't have made a more comlex, sillier system of paying for health care if they had tried. And don't get me going on how they completely ignored serious, substantial and obvious ways to really reduce the costs of Health Care in America while pandering to Big Pharma, the Insurance Lobby, the AMA, the State of Nebraska and many other special interest groups and lobbies...and I ain't taling about Hobby Lobbies.
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