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Where has it been claimed there has been any physical intimidation on behalf of the Union? Republican lawmakers are threatening to retaliate against the employees for voting for the Union that is illegal.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Where has it been claimed there has been any physical intimidation on behalf of the Union? Republican lawmakers are threatening to retaliate against the employees for voting for the Union that is illegal.


LOL. Yeah right, unions have never used physical intimidation. There was never a mob either, right?
It might benefit you to read a history on U.S. labor relations in the past it was the companies that hired goon squads and beat folks up. Haven't you ever heard of the Battle of Blair Mountain or the Homestead strike? If your too lazy to look those up you could always dumb it down to 16 Tons.

It is truly sad how many folks have bought the corporate propagandized version of our history and have no clue as to what actually happened.


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Originally posted by: Roulette Man
So malliber supports the physical threats and intimidation of the auto unions. He also apparently wants to see many unemployed for the sake of the fortunate few. What a guy.


Oh geez mal, are you actually denying that unions haven't u8sed intimidation practice in the past? I grew up partly around around the coal business spending summers working in a strip mine. While our co. wasn't union all the big mines that were operating around us were UMW and you didn't want to go anywhere close to those mines when they were on strike, scab or not.

\ The conflicts you cite were way back when there was a need for unions, the days of hiring pinkerton thugs is way way long gone. You aren't implying otherwise are you?

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Some quotes from Don Diego's link:

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However, state Rep. JoAnne Favors termed the incentives remark "coercion and intimidation" of employees.


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Nashville attorney George Barrett warned in a news conference at the state Capitol that if state officials carry through with such threats, they could be sued in court.

He said retaliation could be seen as violating both the National Labor Relations Act and provisions in the U.S. Constitution.


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Jones, a Democrat who represents part of Nashville, said the Republican legislators are "threatening employees" with the incentives package.


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"In my 20 years on the hill, I've never seen such a massive intrusion into the affairs of a private company," said House Democratic Leader Craig Fitzhugh. "When management and workers agree -- as they do at Volkswagen -- the state has no business interfering.

Quote 1: A Democrat politician calls a remark regarding incentives "coercion and intimidation". This does not make it so.
Quote 2: A Labor Union Attorney calls a remarks regarding incentives "threats" and suggests he might sue. This does not make it so.
Quote 3: The same Union Attorney says opponents of the UAW "could" violate the NLRB and the Constitution. This does not make it so.
Quote 4: A Democrat politician says Republicans are "threatening employees". This does not make it so.

Actions have consequences.
What a Legislature gives a Legislature can take away.

So long as everyone comports themselves legally, DonDiego sees no threat.

In Summary, Malliber, government should never intervene or "pick winners and losers" in the private sector....except when our resident conservtives say its ok.
jatki99, I grew up in a UMWA household so I am quite fond of unions. Sure intimidation was used in the past, but the companies also used intimidation and even assassination to break unions. So I'd suggest to you it was on both sides and I think it was worse on the management side, but nobody seems to know about company violence. (I wonder why?) In any event it is a mistake to get caught up in the past holding on to the 1960s-1970s views of unions today. Both VW and UAW are looking to work together in that plant. Every other VW plant in the world expect those in China are unionized.

DonDiego, Everyone with a unbiased view of the world see the politicians as using intimidation. In the past conservative politicians often used the government including state national guards to deny employees their right to organize.

PJ- Yes here we see a prime example of conservatives willingness to use big government to intervene in a private business. Conservatives sure don't like Obama Motors, but they love Corker Motors.
So a city offers incentives to attract VW. VW employees turn around unionize and want to hurt the employment rate in that city and yet malliber thinks it is thuggery for the city to withdraw those incentives.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
PJ- Yes here we see a prime example of conservatives willingness to use big government to intervene in a private business. Conservatives sure don't like Obama Motors, but they love Corker Motors.
Why is it that so many posters resort to reciting what those with whom they disagree believe? Why, sometimes it almost seems like they misrepresent such opinions on purpose!

DonDiego's motivation in joining this thread was to note that everything is proceeding in a legitimate fashion at a practical pace along the Tennessee River. There is no cause for rancor and commotion.
The Volkswagen management seems neutral on the matter of unionization. The UAW and its supporters favor it, and they are expressing their views. Some politicians and others oppose it, and they are expressing their views.
The vote is happening or about to happen.
Why not just let it happen?

DonDiego would prefer No Big Government.
Failing that he'd prefer to see Big Government severely limited in intervening in a private business.
Given that Big Government is already involved with providing incentives to businesses, he sees nothing wrong with Big Government removing them. Either way somebody's gonna cite favoritism.
DonDiego opposes Big Government bailouts of any business. When Government bails out some businesses and fails to bail out others, it suggests favoritism. This is unfair to those citizens not benefitting.

There is no Corker Motors.
DonDiego is totally neutral with respect to anything to do with Volkswagen. He expects to see the UAW representing the workers in the Chattanooga, Tennessee plant. He has no objection to the UAW representing the workers. He has no objection if the UAW is rejected.

It is difficult for poor old DonDiego to communicate just how slowly his metabolism is operating at this moment; he is totally at peace.


Why do the unions desire a public vote? Admit it, you don't care that the unions intimidate. The ends justify the means, correct?


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Originally posted by: malibber2
The only threats made that I am aware of are the ones made by Republican politicians in Tennessee. Unions provide average people access to a middle class lifestyle. We desperately need more unions to increase the size of the middle class in this country.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Oh Christ, Malibber. For those who've worked with and around unions know how things work. Say whatever you like, but the unions threaten people regularly with physical harm, and damage to their property. I private vote eliminates the ability for them to use threats.

Those who have lived around unions know the truth.


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Originally posted by: malibber2
There have been no allegations of illegal activity. The only threats and intimidation have been from the conservative politicians.

Since Don Diego commented on this thread I'd love to hear how he feels about Coker Motors?

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I agree that government should get involved to stop illegal activities of us who grew up in Chicago know that unions will regularly threaten folks with physical violence, and the reason for a secret vote is to eliminate this illegal activity.

Those who desire anything other than a secret vote wish for a union's ability to continue these threats.





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