I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

PJ, I respectfully disagree. The insurance companies know that my sister-in-law is a high risk cancer survivor, and they used to charge my bro lots of extra money to cover the risk of future huge medical costs.

That risk (and inherit expenses) has now been transferred to you and me. And then friendly old Obama and friends were nice enough to double down on this wealth transfer, and gave my nice brother Big Lar a subsidy.

Trasferring risk does not eliminate risk.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here's a wonderful "real World" example of a couple who signed up for Obamacare on "the site". My brother retired very comfortably at the age of 55. He's currently 60 years old, his wife is 59, and their two children are adults and on their own. My bro and his nice wife of 34 years made their annual January two week trip to Hawaii a few months back. They rent three private villas since mom and dad also pay for flights and lodging for their 2 kids, their spouses, and two grand children. I'm guessing this trip runs twenty five grand. Last April the bro traveled with me to Texas for a 5 nights and four rounds of golf. Last April they spent 10 days in the outer banks with friends. Unfortunately he's going to miss this year’s Indy 500 since he and the wife are spending 4 nights in Amsterdam, then 10 nights in the Serengeti (Tanzania Africa) watching wildlife. The safari portion of this trip is $14,700 alone (I saw the itinerary). Big Lar owns two planes plus one hanger valued at about $250,000 (the expensive one being a fully restored German Bucker Jungmann Bi-plane WWII trainer. His $504,000 home (pulled off of Zillow this morning) was paid off years ago. I'm missing many other minor trips over the last year, but you get the idea

Since my bro decided to pull back his investments into a mostly cash position, his "income" was quite low as they lived off of "cash".

It's good to know that my bro is receiving subsidized Obamacare savings of approximately $8000 annually vs his previous plan. His wife had breast cancer several years ago, so this is wonderful for them.......at the expense of the rest of America.

Watch everyone’s rate climb next year.


Rates will climb in some states...all the ones that did not expand Medicaid (like ours, Boiler). And its because our premiums will pay for the emergency room care of the uninsured...just like in the previous system. Lets compare how premiums rise in Indiana vs Kentucky next year.

Your brother isn't going to make anyone's rates rise. All the uninsured people our governor has stiff-armed will. Aren't you glad you voted for him?


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Originally posted by: hoops2
Bad news for chlilly/forky about 80% have actually paid their premium bringing the number down to about 5.6m, maybe 1m were previously uninsured...
hoops, do you remember how very stooopid DonDiego ended up looking over his "Insurance Companies Bailout!!" accusation.

That's you in a couple of months - when the final numbers shake out. That 80% figure includes millions who signed up mid-February to mid-March, and won't be receiving coverage until April, and millions more who signed up more recently and won't be receiving coverage until May. Most of them haven't even received bills yet.

Of course in a couple of months - if not sooner - you guys will be saying the numbers are skewed!! Just like the 2012 Presidential polls, right?
Your brother is part of a collectively insured group.... so his medical costs are covered by the collectively insured. Thats how insurance works.

The uninsured fall outside of this equation. They aren't covered but they get emergency treatment anyway. So Boiler, here's the million dollar question(s): Who do you think pays for those uninsured emergency visits? And is having a larger number of those people better for your premiums? If you figure out the answer be sure to forward it to Gov Pence.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, I respectfully disagree. The insurance companies know that my sister-in-law is a high risk cancer survivor, and they used to charge my bro lots of extra money to cover the risk of future huge medical costs.

That risk (and inherit expenses) has now been transferred to you and me. And then friendly old Obama and friends were nice enough to double down on this wealth transfer, and gave my nice brother Big Lar a subsidy.

Trasferring risk does not eliminate risk.




Considering that less than 1 million uninsured have signed up and paid, nothing has changed regarding the uninsured and emergency room visits

PJ, please explain where the $8000 in savings for Bro Ogden come from and who's is paying for it.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Your brother is part of a collectively insured group.... so his medical costs are covered by the collectively insured. Thats how insurance works.

The uninsured fall outside of this equation. They aren't covered but they get emergency treatment anyway. So Boiler, here's the million dollar question(s): Who do you think pays for those uninsured emergency visits? And is having a larger number of those people better for your premiums? If you figure out the answer be sure to forward it to Gov Pence.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, I respectfully disagree. The insurance companies know that my sister-in-law is a high risk cancer survivor, and they used to charge my bro lots of extra money to cover the risk of future huge medical costs.

That risk (and inherit expenses) has now been transferred to you and me. And then friendly old Obama and friends were nice enough to double down on this wealth transfer, and gave my nice brother Big Lar a subsidy.

Trasferring risk does not eliminate risk.





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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, please explain where the $8000 in savings for Bro Ogden come from and who's is paying for it.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Your brother is part of a collectively insured group.... so his medical costs are covered by the collectively insured. Thats how insurance works.

The uninsured fall outside of this equation. They aren't covered but they get emergency treatment anyway. So Boiler, here's the million dollar question(s): Who do you think pays for those uninsured emergency visits? And is having a larger number of those people better for your premiums? If you figure out the answer be sure to forward it to Gov Pence.

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, I respectfully disagree. The insurance companies know that my sister-in-law is a high risk cancer survivor, and they used to charge my bro lots of extra money to cover the risk of future huge medical costs.

That risk (and inherit expenses) has now been transferred to you and me. And then friendly old Obama and friends were nice enough to double down on this wealth transfer, and gave my nice brother Big Lar a subsidy.

Trasferring risk does not eliminate risk.






The CBO already answered your question...and their answer says the math benefits deficit reduction.

You haven't answered my question.
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Too many execs getting away with minimal salaries but gobs of untaxed benefits that contribute to their massive wealth"

Such as?


The list is endless depending on the corporation.
Even small businesses have many of these "perks" they give to their managers.
I have several members of my family that work for large corporations and some smaller ones (three are accountants). I am always amazed at what they tell me their company either pays for or they can bill off to the company. In some cases, their "benefits" or "billing offs" exceed their actual salaries (which aren't too shabby).

Corporate retreats
Use of company property (condo's, lake houses,etc. - they can be rented for next to nothing for private use)
One company owns a compound in Belize. They execs use it for "planning sessions' every six months. Families come along of course, just have to pay air fare.
Corporate/company car (don't have to buy your own)
Health club membership
Country club membership
Entertainment expenses, both for home and outside
Use of corporate sky box in stadium
Clothing allowance
Cell phone/mobile devices and accounts

The list goes on. The individual does not have to spend their own money for these things therefore keeping their wealth intact. The typical blue collar or labor worker does not get these benefits and must spend his/her own money on cell phones, vacations, cars, car insurance, car registration, event tickets, etc...
A company car alone, with all the operational expenses covered, is equal to more than a minimum wage employee earns in a year. No taxes paid on it.



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Originally posted by: hoops2
Considering that less than 1 million uninsured have signed up and paid, nothing has changed regarding the uninsured and emergency room visits
The Rand Corporation says you are very wrong:





Wow!
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot


Wow!


I dont get it. Our resident conservatives told us nobody would sign up...and then (gulp!) the government would have to bail out insurance companies....and costs were going to fly through the roof !

Does this mean I can stop digging my apocalypse bunker now?
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