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pjstroh
pjstroh
Jun 16, 2014
11:53pm
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, do you have concerns that those Middle East folks why "manage themselves" will attempt to kill American's on home soil? Secondly, you seem to regularly ignore the best way to pay for military programs. Cut giveaway programs.



Absolutely...I beleive in a strong home defense. I dont believe in the premptive-strike-Bush-doctrine which historically creates more enemies than it kills....and that was true long before Bush.

Cutting giveaway programs? By all means! Perhaps Boilerman can lead the charge on this front by forfeiting his Medicare/Social Security.
Boilerman
Boilerman
Jun 17, 2014
12:25am
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I'm on board for ALL able bodied Americans taking care of themselves. The current program of our government attempting to solve problems that are best handled by the individual is a disaster. Let's do away with Medicare and Social Security. We are going to have to cut back, so the payments for those "vested" (for the lack of a better word), will need to get much smaller payments than promised. Government has made promises that they can't come through on.

Take care of yourselves people! Reality is difficult in this case.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, do you have concerns that those Middle East folks why "manage themselves" will attempt to kill American's on home soil? Secondly, you seem to regularly ignore the best way to pay for military programs. Cut giveaway programs.



Absolutely...I beleive in a strong home defense. I dont believe in the premptive-strike-Bush-doctrine which historically creates more enemies than it kills....and that was true long before Bush.

Cutting giveaway programs? By all means! Perhaps Boilerman can lead the charge on this front by forfeiting his Medicare/Social Security.


hoops2
hoops2
Jun 17, 2014
12:33am
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"I dont believe in the premptive-strike-Bush-doctrine which historically creates more enemies than it kills....and that was true long before Bush."

There is no truth to that statement as the islamists are the ones who started this and believe that theirs is the only religion. All others are non-believers and need to be killed
rdwoodpecker
rdwoodpecker
Jun 17, 2014
2:18am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Remember when Biden said that Iraq was one of the great success stories of Obama.

“It [Iraq] could be one of the greatest achievements of this administration. . . . You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.”
“I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”
__Vice President Biden, 10 February 2010

Things change.


DD, does anybody believe ANYTHING Joe Biden might say these days? You don't see him being a spokesperson for the white house on much of anything. He must just be their for the "smiles"!

Don
Don
Jun 17, 2014
2:45am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Absolutely...I believe in a strong home defense. I dont believe in the premptive-strike-Bush-doctrine which historically creates more enemies than it kills....and that was true long before Bush.
DonDiego does not believe in the pre-emptive-Obama-Doctrine.
Does pjstroh support the pre-emptive-Obama-Doctrine in, f'rinstance, Libya?

DonDiego agrees with whoever said: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." [note i]
Congress did not authorize the attack on Libya. [note ii]

President Obama just did it anyway, . . . oh wait, he said he did it for "humanitarian reasons."
The "Brotherly Leader and Guide of the Revolution of Libya", Muammar al-Gaddafi was subsequent captured by rebels, sodomized with a wooden stick (or "stake" or "board", depending on the witness) and killed by "rebels", whom The Obama attack supported. [noteiii]
The result has been absolute chaos within the CFKAL (Country Formerly Known As Libya}, chaos including occupation by among others al Qaeda, . . . who subsequently has used CFKAL as a base for Islamist mischief in neighboring African Countries.

note i: President Obama, December 2007; it was within the same document in which The Obama stated:"I will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law."
note ii: The "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" was passed by Congress before President Bush "struck" Iraq. (Does pjstroh believe the President does not require Congressional authority?)
note iii: President Saddam Hussein was hanged after conviction of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal. (Does pjstroh believe in due process?)
forkushV
forkushV
Jun 17, 2014
2:50am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Remember when Biden said that Iraq was one of the great success stories of Obama...
It IS a great success story, but not for the reason that Biden gave.

It's a great success story because: We. Got. Out. Like we should have in Vietnam around 1955. Like we stayed out of the Cuban revolution, resulting in the tragedy of closed casinos and universal health care for Cubans. And like we stayed out of the Red Chinese revolution, resulting in the tragedy of megatons of cheap Walmart merchandise.

Those situations weren't our call. It's NEVER our call, unless we have overwhelming popular support from those being occupied. President Obama should have started our withdrawal at noon on January 20, 2009, and I fault him for every second of unnecessary delay.

What is happening now was predicable, and predicted.
hoops2
hoops2
Jun 17, 2014
3:37am
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You’re going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.”
“I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.”
__Vice President Biden, 10 February 2010

apparently forky didn't read or ignored the rest of biden's quote
forkushV
forkushV
Jun 17, 2014
3:41am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
...apparently forky didn't read or ignored the rest of biden's quote
Twit.

"It IS a great success story, but not for the reason that Biden gave.

It's a great success story because: We. Got. Out. Like we should have in Vietnam around 1955. Like we stayed out of the Cuban revolution, resulting in the tragedy of closed casinos and universal health care for Cubans. And like we stayed out of the Red Chinese revolution, resulting in the tragedy of megatons of cheap Walmart merchandise.

Those situations weren't our call. It's NEVER our call, unless we have overwhelming popular support from those being occupied. President Obama should have started our withdrawal at noon on January 20, 2009, and I fault him for every second of unnecessary delay."
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jun 17, 2014
4:28am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Absolutely...I believe in a strong home defense. I dont believe in the premptive-strike-Bush-doctrine which historically creates more enemies than it kills....and that was true long before Bush.
DonDiego does not believe in the pre-emptive-Obama-Doctrine.
Does pjstroh support the pre-emptive-Obama-Doctrine in, f'rinstance, Libya?

DonDiego agrees with whoever said: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." [note i]
Congress did not authorize the attack on Libya. [note ii]

President Obama just did it anyway, . . . oh wait, he said he did it for "humanitarian reasons."
The "Brotherly Leader and Guide of the Revolution of Libya", Muammar al-Gaddafi was subsequent captured by rebels, sodomized with a wooden stick (or "stake" or "board", depending on the witness) and killed by "rebels", whom The Obama attack supported. [noteiii]
The result has been absolute chaos within the CFKAL (Country Formerly Known As Libya}, chaos including occupation by among others al Qaeda, . . . who subsequently has used CFKAL as a base for Islamist mischief in neighboring African Countries.

note i: President Obama, December 2007; it was within the same document in which The Obama stated:"I will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law."
note ii: The "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" was passed by Congress before President Bush "struck" Iraq. (Does pjstroh believe the President does not require Congressional authority?)
note iii: President Saddam Hussein was hanged after conviction of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal. (Does pjstroh believe in due process?)



No! I don't believe in the pre-emptive Obama doctrine. And I was critical of his attacks against Libya. And I was critical of his planned attacks against Syria that (luckily) never materialized. And I've been critical of his aggressive drone program. My positions on foreign aggression remain constant regardless of which party owns the white house.

It allows me to go through life on my own set of principals instead of letting a cable news outlet define them for me. And it allows me to not look hypocritical by having my ideology turn on a dime as soon as the leaders I voted for win/lose power over the country. Its kinda nice

In 2008 we were given a choice between someone who promised to bring our troops home and someone who vowed to stay until we achieved an undefined "victory". I stand by my choice.

hoops2
hoops2
Jun 17, 2014
4:59am
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PJ and company subscribe to stick our head in the stand theory and hope nobody notices we are here
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