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Originally posted by: ChilcootQuote
Originally posted by: DonDiego
“. . . al Qaeda is on the run and Osama bin Laden is no more.”
__The Obama, 5 October 2012
Presently al Qaeda, in the form of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), has run into the late Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit. They plan to run into Baghdad.
ISIS/ISIL isn't part of Al Qaeda. Or, as you put it, Al Qaeda is not "in the form of" ISIS/ISIL.
In fact, Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL are bitter rivals.
Here's Reuters:
Here's CBS:
Here's NPR:
Here's FoxNews:
Basically the whole notion that you founded this thread on is nothing but yet another product of your unshakeable ignorance of stuff, multiplied by your need to bash our President.
To repeat: the aggressive insurgency currently running through Iraq is not part of Al Qaeda.
DonDiego thanks Chilcoot for his interest in the topic.
DonDiego opines Chilcoot's conclusion that the notion upon which the thread was founded is based on unshakeable ignorance and a need to bash the President is inaccurate at best and maybe intentionally misleading.
Things change. But when The Obama made the statement quoted at the beginning of this thread, those now in ISIL/ISIL were, in fact, in al Qaeda.
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The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) is so hardline that it was disavowed by al-Qaida's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Led by an Iraqi called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Isis was originally an al-Qaida group in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). As the Syrian civil war intensified, its involvement in the conflict was indirect at first. Abu Muhammad al-Joulani, an ISI member, established Jabhat al-Jabhat al-Nusra in mid-2011, which became the main jihadi group in the Syrian war. Joulani received support and funding from ISI and Baghdadi.
But Baghdadi sought to gain influence over the increasingly powerful Jabhat al-Nusra by directly expanding ISI's operations into Syria,
forming Isis in April last year. Differences over ideology and strategy soon led to bitter infighting. Isis turned to out to be too extreme and brutal not just for Jabhat al-Nusra, but for al-Qaida itself, leading to a public repudiation by Zawahiri, who last month called on Isis to leave Syria and return to Iraq.
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[boldface added - DD]
Ref: The Guardian
The Obama spoke of al Qaeda being "on the run" in October 2012. ISIS was not formed until April 2013, . . . and was originally an al-Qaida group in Iraq [ISI now ISIL]. DonDiego supposes ISIL is still active independently in Iraq, but they are being shown up by ISIS nowadays.
QEDDonDiego does not wish to question Chilcoot's motives, . . . but why does he think it is important what name these islamist groups choose?
The fundamental, . . . and DonDiego does mean "FUNDAMENTAL", . . . objective of al Qaeda and ISIS and all the associated and independent Islamist jihadist organizations worldwide is to destroy Western Civilization and replace it with an Islamic Caliphate.
As to the names they choose, . . . aside from taking titles intended to relate to the region in which they operate or address the concerns of the indigenous inhabitants thereof, they likely intend to confuse those who oppose their shared objective with al Qaeda
et al. It appears to have worked on Chilcoot.
To emphasize the shared creed DonDiego would quote then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: "What difference –
at this point, what difference does it make?"
In conclusion:
__DonDiego was not ignorant, . . . especially not "unshakably ignorant", . . . of the origin of ISIS/ISIL.
__DonDiego has no "need to bash [the] President"; he does so voluntarily and of his own conscious volition. (DonDiego is pleased that Chilcoot abandoned the standard assessment of DonDiego that he "hates the President". DonDiego hates very few folks, . . . none on this board, so far, . . . but he disagrees with most of the Presidents' policies and actions and finds the politicization of the IRS and the Justice Department, and the mainstream press acquiescence, most troubling.)
Whether al Qaeda, or ISIS or ISIL (
AKA al Qaeda in Iraq), or Al Shabaab, or Boko Haram, al Shabab, or the Islamic Disney Marching Corps of Anaheim, . . . they all intend to treat poor old DonDiego exactly the same way, if only they knew his address. It likely involves separating one or more portions of poor old DonDiego from one another. DonDiego does not know their plans for Chilcoot.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
“. . . al Qaeda is on the run and Osama bin Laden is no more.”
__The Obama, 5 October 2012
The Obama was mistaken when he said it, . . . and he is mistaken today, . . . and even worse.
At the moment al Qaeda and its affiliates and ISIS and others are winning.
The prospect of "al Qaeda in Mexico", or perhaps "The Northern Mexico Islamic Drum and Bugle Corps", is another good reason to seal the US's southern border. And DonDiego is keeping his eyes on those Canadian Eskimos too.
