Vegas Free-for-All - It Really Is a Catch 22

It Really Is a Catch 22

Tutontow

Jul 17, 2014
3:17am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Why isn't Chilly calling Tutontow a racist for saying that Mexican outwork white folks in manual labor jobs? You are correct, by the way.

I call it like I see it. If that makes me a racists in some people eyes so be it. As Marilyn Monroe said "Those that know me, know better"

Dan Svatass

Jul 17, 2014
3:29am

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Originally posted by: Tutontow

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Why isn't Chilly calling Tutontow a racist for saying that Mexican outwork white folks in manual labor jobs? You are correct, by the way.

I call it like I see it. If that makes me a racists in some people eyes so be it. As Marilyn Monroe said "Those that know me, know better"

"Mexican" isn't a race.

For the same reason "Canadian" isn't a race.

Not difficult

Derbycity123

Jul 18, 2014
12:56am

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What is a cracker? Is it wheat?

Don

Jul 18, 2014
1:22am

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Originally posted by: Derbycity123
What is a cracker? Is it wheat?

" 'Cracker' the old standby of Anglo insults was first noted in the mid 18th century, making it older than the United States itself. It was used to refer to poor whites, particularly those inhabiting the frontier regions of Maryland, Virginia and Georgia. It is suspected that it was a shortened version of 'whip-cracker,' since the manual labor they did involved driving livestock with a whip (not to mention the other brutal arenas where those skills were employed.) Over the course of time it came to represent a person of lower caste or criminal disposition, (in some instances, was used in reference to bandits and other lawless folk.)"
__ Jelani Cobb, Historian

"In official documents, the governor of Florida said, 'We don't know what to do with these crackers — we tell them to settle this area and they don't; we tell them not to settle this area and they do.' They lived off the land. They were rogues.
By the 1940s, the term began to take on yet another meaning in American inner cities in particular: as an epithet for bigoted white folks.
__ Dana Ste. Claire, Historian and Cracker Specialist

Ref: NPR

DonDiego recommends Tutontow attend a performance of The Great Southern Cracker Roadshow, to which the aforementioned Dana Ste. Claire is a
contributor, to learn more.

O2bnVegas

Jul 18, 2014
2:20am

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Politicians need to stop the flow of immigrants who come to America and compete with Americans for jobs. These jobs should be for folks who are legally in the United States

Government programs have created a generation of American citizens who are not motivated to work, to accept lower paying jobs, less desirable shifts (hours), for eventual progression to higher paying jobs if/when they demonstrate skill, dependability, respect for management, etc.

We also experienced outstanding work (exterior house painted) by a crew of non-English speaking men who were supervised closely by a very articulate English speaking hispanic (not sure of exact country of birth) contractor. He had several crews working around town and he went from job to job several times a day checking their work. Was recommended to us by a manager at the paint store. We didn't ask specifically for a hispanic crew, but folks at paint stores tend to learn who is good and who isn't from customers who share their experiences. We would have been just as satisfied with an American contractor/crew of like quality and job quote.

forkushV

Jul 18, 2014
4:39am

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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Government programs have created a generation of American citizens who are not motivated to work, to accept lower paying jobs, less desirable shifts (hours), for eventual progression to higher paying jobs...

Really? Every time I've been to a fast food place they seem to be fully staffed, and every Vegas hotel I've stayed at seems to have a full compliment of maids. So exactly which low-paying jobs are going begging because folks are just too lazy?

Tutontow

Jul 18, 2014
5:20am

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Originally posted by: DonDiego

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Originally posted by: Derbycity123
What is a cracker? Is it wheat?

" 'Cracke' the old standby of Anglo insults was first noted in the mid 18th century, making it older than the United States itself. It was used to refer to poor whites, particularly those inhabiting the frontier regions of Maryland, Virginia and Georgia. It is suspected that it was a shortened version of 'whip-cracker,' since the manual labor they did involved driving livestock with a whip (not to mention the other brutal arenas where those skills were employed.) Over the course of time it came to represent a person of lower caste or criminal disposition, (in some instances, was used in reference to bandits and other lawless folk.)"
__ Jelani Cobb, Historian

"In official documents, the governor of Florida said, 'We don't know what to do with these crackers — we tell them to settle this area and they don't; we tell them not to settle this area and they do.' They lived off the land. They were rogues.
By the 1940s, the term began to take on yet another meaning in American inner cities in particular: as an epithet for bigoted white folks.
__ Dana Ste. Claire, Historian and Cracker Specialist

Ref: NPR

DonDiego recommends Tutontow attend a performance of The Great Southern Cracker Roadshow, to which the aforementioned Dana Ste. Claire is a
contributor, to learn more.

DD you nailed it. Many people don't know that Florida has a lot of cattle. Many of my friends raise cattle. For that matter one Super Bowl Sunday I looked out and lo and behold a cow was grazing in my backyard. He had gotten free from neighbors property.

Let me add I think, just my humble opinion, that as whole we as a society have become too thin skinned and have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves.

If you have ever been to the Tampa Bay area you have seen we are a very diverse community. Although, as mentioned above, I am a Cracker, most of my friends are from Cuba. If anyone every heard the names we use to refer to each other you would think we hate one another.

The thing is it is all in good fun but it seems like many folks take such offense to it rather than accept it for what it is and laugh at it.

Tutontow

Jul 18, 2014
5:23am

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Why isn't Chilly calling Tutontow a racist for saying that Mexican outwork white folks in manual labor jobs? You are correct, by the way.

I call it like I see it. If that makes me a racists in some people eyes so be it. As Marilyn Monroe said "Those that know me, know better"

"Mexican" isn't a race.

For the same reason "Canadian" isn't a race.

Not difficult

Just like Crackers aren't a race.

Boilerman

Jul 18, 2014
10:25am

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There are plenty of lazy employees. Get rid of unions, and the skilled labor companies will get rid of the lazy employees.

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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Government programs have created a generation of American citizens who are not motivated to work, to accept lower paying jobs, less desirable shifts (hours), for eventual progression to higher paying jobs...

Boilerman

Jul 18, 2014
10:36am

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Chilly, you are quite the hypocrite Who was talking about Mexican being a race, although you are wrong on that anyway)? Tutontow was accurately pointing out that Mexican crews often outwork Caucasian manual labor crews. I find it interesting that when I made a similar statement that blacks at my company are outworked by whites I'm racist, though Chilly believes that saying whites are outworked by Mexicans isn't somehow racist.

While working at a sheet metal factory during college, the Mexicans worked the hardest, followed by whites, and finally by blacks.

Tutontow, I fully agree with your position and I'm only pointing out Chilly's, Forkie's, and Malibber's hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Why isn't Chilly calling Tutontow a racist for saying that Mexican outwork white folks in manual labor jobs? You are correct, by the way.

I call it like I see it. If that makes me a racists in some people eyes so be it. As Marilyn Monroe said "Those that know me, know better"

"Mexican" isn't a race.

For the same reason "Canadian" isn't a race.

Not difficult

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