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Originally posted by: Muskeg
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Lots of things have changed for women since 1920.
Now they can:
- vote
- play sports
- work in careers in Science and Math
- equal pay for equal work

which also means:
- they can open their own door
- hang up their own coat
- pick up the check once in awhile
- and stand on the subway


I never realized that for decades, women were essentially "buying" door openings and subway seats by accepting lower wages and fewer rights.

I for one will continue to hold doors open for women out of respect. It's how I was brought up. I will also continue to expect a "thank you" in return.

To hell with the dog-eat-dog mentality. Some things are not for sale, and those are the values that define us.

And thank you for the Rosie photo. I hope she gets another show--she's a great American!


For decades women were second class citizens in this country that weren't afforded the same rights and opportunities men had. The "manners" spoken of in this thread were the polite means by which the superior class of men humbled themselves to the inferior class of women in a show of civility in line with our culture of the time.

I submit that culture (much for the better) has changed. We now live in a society where women do not need to be taken care of by men. That comes with great benefits for the ladies - but also a few realities. I opine that one gender humbling itself before another in an unequal society seems polite - but not so much in one where everyone is equal. Its actually seems quite contradictory.

But that doesn't mean you cant hold the door for people. I do it all the time - but gender doesn't play a factor.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Muskeg
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Lots of things have changed for women since 1920.
Now they can:
- vote
- play sports
- work in careers in Science and Math
- equal pay for equal work

which also means:
- they can open their own door
- hang up their own coat
- pick up the check once in awhile
- and stand on the subway


I never realized that for decades, women were essentially "buying" door openings and subway seats by accepting lower wages and fewer rights.

I for one will continue to hold doors open for women out of respect. It's how I was brought up. I will also continue to expect a "thank you" in return.

To hell with the dog-eat-dog mentality. Some things are not for sale, and those are the values that define us.

And thank you for the Rosie photo. I hope she gets another show--she's a great American!


For decades women were second class citizens in this country that weren't afforded the same rights and opportunities men had. The "manners" spoken of in this thread were the polite means by which the superior class of men humbled themselves to the inferior class of women in a show of civility in line with our culture of the time.

I submit that culture (much for the better) has changed. We now live in a society where women do not need to be taken care of by men. That comes with great benefits for the ladies - but also a few realities. I opine that one gender humbling itself before another in an unequal society seems polite - but not so much in one where everyone is equal. Its actually seems quite contradictory.

But that doesn't mean you cant hold the door for people. I do it all the time - but gender doesn't play a factor.


It's not 1975 when feminists would get offended if held the door because they're women. Women deserve equal pay for equal work and all the same opportunities offered to men. They also deserve to be treated as ladies with all that chivalrous stuff.
Seems like holding a door for other PEOPLE, giving up a seat to a needy PERSON, and just generally being nice to other HUMANS, without regard to gender, is the smart way to go.

I can't imagine yelling at someone who didn't thank me for a courtesy I freely gave. Getting angry like that is all kinds of wrong (but helps cardiologists buy vacation homes).
Keep doing those good things for others even if they do not thank you. Another person might take notice of your action and do something nice for someone else. Even just a smile to someone passing might make their day go a little better.


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Originally posted by: Blade

Another person might take notice of your action and do something nice for someone else.



................. and then that person might hit a Royal


Rick
The term "Pay it Forward" comes to mind. Do a nice thing and it will come back to you at some point,
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Muskeg
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Lots of things have changed for women since 1920.
Now they can:
- vote
- play sports
- work in careers in Science and Math
- equal pay for equal work

which also means:
- they can open their own door
- hang up their own coat
- pick up the check once in awhile
- and stand on the subway


I never realized that for decades, women were essentially "buying" door openings and subway seats by accepting lower wages and fewer rights.

I for one will continue to hold doors open for women out of respect. It's how I was brought up. I will also continue to expect a "thank you" in return.

To hell with the dog-eat-dog mentality. Some things are not for sale, and those are the values that define us.

And thank you for the Rosie photo. I hope she gets another show--she's a great American!


For decades women were second class citizens in this country that weren't afforded the same rights and opportunities men had. The "manners" spoken of in this thread were the polite means by which the superior class of men humbled themselves to the inferior class of women in a show of civility in line with our culture of the time.

I submit that culture (much for the better) has changed. We now live in a society where women do not need to be taken care of by men. That comes with great benefits for the ladies - but also a few realities. I opine that one gender humbling itself before another in an unequal society seems polite - but not so much in one where everyone is equal. Its actually seems quite contradictory.

But that doesn't mean you cant hold the door for people. I do it all the time - but gender doesn't play a factor.



1st sign of the apocalypse. I heartily agree with a pjstroh post. scary!!!

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