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Obamacare 2014 - Part Deux

hoops2
hoops2
Aug 19, 2014
10:17am
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Let's try again.

My company pays 75% of the premium, the employee pays 25%. In 2013 I got a refund of $95 based on the law. In 2014 my premium went up in spite of the 80/20 rule. Obama said my premiums would be going down under obamacare. All indications are that the 2015 premiums will be going up well above the inflation rate.

So which company hands out a coupon book?

Now for forky - if 5 million plans were not cancelled as a result of obamacare would the enrollment numbers been that high? All along people were saying 80% would be the payup rate, now you proclaim that as a success. At an 80% sign up rate that brings the enrollment to about 6.5m

The govt is admitting that somewhere over 3m applications are incorrect, subtract that from 6.5m and we are now down to 3m?

Remember everybody was supposed to be insured and that costs would come down. Costs are going up and millions are still not insured. So what was the point?

jatki
jatki
Aug 19, 2014
11:10am
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Sorry, stupid question, wasn't thinking.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 19, 2014
11:26am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Let's try again.

My company pays 75% of the premium, the employee pays 25%. In 2013 I got a refund of $95 based on the law. In 2014 my premium went up in spite of the 80/20 rule. Obama said my premiums would be going down under obamacare. All indications are that the 2015 premiums will be going up well above the inflation rate.


You're right. Premiums will be going up...at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases under the train wreck system you've demanded we go back to. In other words - you are complaining about a massive improvement. I'll get you a tissue.

Very likely you will see a vast difference in rate increases between states that expanded Medicaid and the ones that did not....which will result in many governors embracing the system they spent 4 years crying about.

Boilerman
Boilerman
Aug 19, 2014
11:34am
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Hoops, you silly man. Forkie isn't interested in Obama honesty nor the truth.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
Let's try again.

My company pays 75% of the premium, the employee pays 25%. In 2013 I got a refund of $95 based on the law. In 2014 my premium went up in spite of the 80/20 rule. Obama said my premiums would be going down under obamacare. All indications are that the 2015 premiums will be going up well above the inflation rate.

So which company hands out a coupon book?

Now for forky - if 5 million plans were not cancelled as a result of obamacare would the enrollment numbers been that high? All along people were saying 80% would be the payup rate, now you proclaim that as a success. At an 80% sign up rate that brings the enrollment to about 6.5m

The govt is admitting that somewhere over 3m applications are incorrect, subtract that from 6.5m and we are now down to 3m?

Remember everybody was supposed to be insured and that costs would come down. Costs are going up and millions are still not insured. So what was the point?



hoops2
hoops2
Aug 19, 2014
11:21pm
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"at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases "

Like your coupon book comment not correct. The estimated increases are in the 8-9+% range (well above the inflation rate) & based on your statement annual increases would have been 18% annually.

obama said premiums would be reduced $2,500 and now you are bragging about how economical an 8+% increase is
pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 20, 2014
1:58am
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases "

Like your coupon book comment not correct. The estimated increases are in the 8-9+% range (well above the inflation rate) & based on your statement annual increases would have been 18% annually.

obama said premiums would be reduced $2,500 and now you are bragging about how economical an 8+% increase is


I said single digit pace...Hoops said that is incorrect and said the real pace was 8-9%.

And I dont have anything to add to that.
hoops2
hoops2
Aug 20, 2014
2:26am
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"at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases "

You said single digit rate increases were half the rate prior to obamacare. To get to an 9% increase (half) the prior increase would have had to have been 18%, which is not factual.

Again, obama said that insurance premiums would go down by an average of $2,500, not up.

Once again obamacare is not achieving what was promised
chefantwon
chefantwon
Aug 20, 2014
9:57am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases "

Like your coupon book comment not correct. The estimated increases are in the 8-9+% range (well above the inflation rate) & based on your statement annual increases would have been 18% annually.

obama said premiums would be reduced $2,500 and now you are bragging about how economical an 8+% increase is


I said single digit pace...Hoops said that is incorrect and said the real pace was 8-9%.

And I dont have anything to add to that.


Some guy's quotes on health care.....

“Through the marketplaces, you can get health insurance for what may be the equivalent of your cell phone bill, or your cable bill and that’s a good deal.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obama-healthcare-quotes-98610.html#ixzz3AylEMafR

But that's already in place. Now, here’s the second thing you need to know. If you’re one of over 40 million Americans who don’t have health insurance –- including hundreds of thousands of folks right here in Maryland –- starting on Tuesday, five days from now, you’ll finally have the same chance to buy quality, affordable health care as everybody else. - https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/26/remarks-president-affordable-care-act

Now, what about choice and cost? In states where the federal government helps run these marketplaces, the average American will have more than 50 different plans to choose from, with different levels of coverage. And because insurance companies are competing against one another for your business, a lot of Americans will pay significantly less for their insurance than they do now. Premiums are going to be different in different parts of the country, depending on how much coverage you buy. But 95 percent of uninsured Americans will see their premiums cost less than was expected. And many families, including more than two-thirds of all young adults who buy health care through these online marketplaces, are also going to be eligible for tax credits that bring down the cost down even further. (Applause.)

All told, nearly 6 in 10 Americans without health insurance today will be able to get covered for $100 or less. It would actually be 8 in 10 if every governor were working as hard as Governor O’Malley to make the Affordable Care Act work for their citizens. (Applause.)

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

40 million uninsured and HOW many signed up under Obama care???? 8 million was a big deal, there is 32 million more that DIDN'T sign up.
jatki
jatki
Aug 20, 2014
11:40pm
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Originally posted by: chefantwon
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"at an estimated single digit pace which is about half the rate of those premium increases "

Like your coupon book comment not correct. The estimated increases are in the 8-9+% range (well above the inflation rate) & based on your statement annual increases would have been 18% annually.

obama said premiums would be reduced $2,500 and now you are bragging about how economical an 8+% increase is


I said single digit pace...Hoops said that is incorrect and said the real pace was 8-9%.

And I dont have anything to add to that.


Some guy's quotes on health care.....

“Through the marketplaces, you can get health insurance for what may be the equivalent of your cell phone bill, or your cable bill and that’s a good deal.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obama-healthcare-quotes-98610.html#ixzz3AylEMafR

But that's already in place. Now, here’s the second thing you need to know. If you’re one of over 40 million Americans who don’t have health insurance –- including hundreds of thousands of folks right here in Maryland –- starting on Tuesday, five days from now, you’ll finally have the same chance to buy quality, affordable health care as everybody else. - https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/26/remarks-president-affordable-care-act

Now, what about choice and cost? In states where the federal government helps run these marketplaces, the average American will have more than 50 different plans to choose from, with different levels of coverage. And because insurance companies are competing against one another for your business, a lot of Americans will pay significantly less for their insurance than they do now. Premiums are going to be different in different parts of the country, depending on how much coverage you buy. But 95 percent of uninsured Americans will see their premiums cost less than was expected. And many families, including more than two-thirds of all young adults who buy health care through these online marketplaces, are also going to be eligible for tax credits that bring down the cost down even further. (Applause.)

All told, nearly 6 in 10 Americans without health insurance today will be able to get covered for $100 or less. It would actually be 8 in 10 if every governor were working as hard as Governor O’Malley to make the Affordable Care Act work for their citizens. (Applause.)

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

40 million uninsured and HOW many signed up under Obama care???? 8 million was a big deal, there is 32 million more that DIDN'T sign up.


How many of that 8 million were people who got lost their original plans? I don't think I ever saw a hard(or close) number of that.

pjstroh
pjstroh
Aug 21, 2014
12:50am
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Originally posted by: chefantwon

40 million uninsured and HOW many signed up under Obama care???? 8 million was a big deal, there is 32 million more that DIDN'T sign up.


That is a fundamentally dishonest statistic that is off by more than 250% - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not intentional.
20 million get insurance through Obamacare

8 million people signed up through exchanges
8 million people are kids under 27 using their parent plan.
4 million people signed up directly with an insurance company (did not use the exchange)

Note these figures do NOT include people who received insurance under the Medicaid expansion which is difficult to track because of the churn in unemployment and income. Rather than post a dishonest and nebulous statistic I'll just refer to that number as "X".
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