Obamacare 2014 - Part Deux

The study was done by the Commonwealth Fund whose president is David Blumenthal, who happened to be the senior health advisor to the obama campaign. In March, 2009, obama appointed Blumenthal to be the National Health Information Technology Coordinator.

Is it a suprise that this study is favorable to obamacare? Does this background call into question the validity of the study?

Yes to both questions.

Right off the top the study says 8m signed up but ignores the fact that about 80% have actually paid which brings the number down to 6.4m. The govt has also admitted that there are problems with over 3m applications. The study also doesn't answer the question of how many people who signed up were as a result of their prior plans being cancelled?
That report says like more of an opinion than any hard numbers whatsoever.
Hoops, Chefantowan, and Jatki are all referencing enrollment numbers of one component of Obamacare and using those numbers to falsely represent the enrollment of the greater whole. And they have the nerve to question the integrity of a group that dared to look at the program in its entirety?

< Insert comical punchline here>

Thats about par for the course when it comes to our resident conservatives narratives on Obamacare. They have to fabricate or obscure reportable facts in order to make an argument seem rational.

And neither Blummenthal or our resident critics took into account medicaid expansion in their figures. But thanks for stopping by!




The Philadelphia Federal Reserve includes a "Special Questions" section in its "Business Outlook Survey". The most recent edition addressed the effects of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) [Obamacare] and how, if at all, they are making changes to their employment and compensation, including benefits.

Results:
__18.2% employ fewer workers; 3.0% employ more.
__There has been an increase in part time jobs (18.2% higher vs 1.5% lower), leading to a big increase in outsourcing (13.7% higher vs. 3.0% lower
__ Obamacare costs are being largely passed on to customers; 28.8% reporting higher prices due to Obamacare, 0.0" report lower)
__There is little change in the number of employees covered (17.6% higher vs 14.7% lower and 67.6% unchanged)
__There has been a big jump in Premiums, Deductibles, Out-of-pocket maximums, and Copays, and a significant reduction in the range of medical coverage and the size of the network.



Ref: Philadelphia Federal Reserve

"And neither Blummenthal or our resident critics took into account medicaid expansion in their figures. But thanks for stopping by"

From the 1st paragraph of the Time article

"The report looks at both people who gained coverage through insurance marketplaces, and people who gained coverage due to provisions in the Affordable Care Act (such as those qualifying for Medicaid and those now covered through the Children’s Health Insurance Program).""

So what part of this program is working?
Liberals don't believe that increasing employer costs and increasing employer regulations effects employment. Furthermore, Liberals do not care about the cost of Obamacare.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
"And neither Blummenthal or our resident critics took into account medicaid expansion in their figures. But thanks for stopping by"

From the 1st paragraph of the Time article

"The report looks at both people who gained coverage through insurance marketplaces, and people who gained coverage due to provisions in the Affordable Care Act (such as those qualifying for Medicaid and those now covered through the Children’s Health Insurance Program).""

So what part of this program is working?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: chefantwon

40 million uninsured and HOW many signed up under Obama care???? 8 million was a big deal, there is 32 million more that DIDN'T sign up.


That is a fundamentally dishonest statistic that is off by more than 250% - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not intentional.
20 million get insurance through Obamacare

8 million people signed up through exchanges
8 million people are kids under 27 using their parent plan.
4 million people signed up directly with an insurance company (did not use the exchange)

Note these figures do NOT include people who received insurance under the Medicaid expansion which is difficult to track because of the churn in unemployment and income. Rather than post a dishonest and nebulous statistic I'll just refer to that number as "X".


You ARE aware, I took that 40 million figure from the white.gov web site???? however according to the CBO, I'm bit off

"And the CBO also expects there still will be 57 million U.S. residents without health insurance a decade from now. That equals 11 percent of the population, including undocumented immigrants who are ineligible for government-supported health benefits. Though it's 26 million fewer uncovered people than there would be absent the ACA, the gap suggests the law can never achieve universal coverage."

huf post link

And pj's numbers are a bit off as well:

Obamacare reduced the number of people without health insurance by 10.3 million people in 2014, researchers from the Department of Health and Human Services and the Harvard School of Public Health reported in the New England Journal of Medicine in July. The uninsured rate fell 3.7 percentage points to 13.4 percent between last fall and this March, the lowest rate since 2008, according to Gallup.
Historians will not be kind to Obama. Here's just one example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQqNdkyZZo
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Historians will not be kind to Obama. Here's just one example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQqNdkyZZo


Linky no worky.

Linky workie 4 me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQqNdkyZZo
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