ObamaCare NOT working as planned

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Originally posted by: forkushV

Okay whiny dishonest hypocrites, please self-identify below!


So people who attacked Bush for Executive Orders, but now love Obama's...what does it make them?

“I take the Constitution very seriously, the biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America"

Barak Obama 2008.

Clearly just another whiny dishonest hypocrite.
Plainly our President was under the delusion in 2008 that he'd have a functioning legislative body to work with.

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV

Okay whiny dishonest hypocrites, please self-identify below!


So people who attacked Bush for Executive Orders, but now love Obama's...what does it make them?

“I take the Constitution very seriously, the biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America"

Barak Obama 2008.

Clearly just another whiny dishonest hypocrite.
And President Obama has lived up to his word; he has fewer executive orders than any president since Grover Cleveland.

Anyone for stupid whiny dishonest hypocrite?
Excellent point, forkushV. There's no satisfying people like the alanleroys who only know they hate our President.


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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

Excellent point, forkushV. There's no satisfying people like the alanleroys who only know they hate our President.


I most certainly do not hate President Obama. In fact I used to think he was slightly better than President Bush. My opinion has now changed on that one.

Here...I'll spell it out for you: Obama made it a point to campaign against President Bush's Executive orders. Now he touts that he 'Has a Pen and a Phone'..."And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions" ...Do you not understand how hypocritical that is?

It's the Chiloooots and forkush's of the world who are so blinded by their love for Obama that they can't even admit he's being a hypocrite when he comes right out and touts it. I think we've been stuck with two lousy presidents in a row..and most Americans now agree with that. I don't hate them though. It's just too bad neither was up to the challenge.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

Excellent point, forkushV. There's no satisfying people like the alanleroys who only know they hate our President.


I most certainly do not hate President Obama. In fact I used to think he was slightly better than President Bush. My opinion has now changed on that one.

Here...I'll spell it out for you: Obama made it a point to campaign against President Bush's Executive orders. Now he touts that he 'Has a Pen and a Phone'..."And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions" ...Do you not understand how hypocritical that is?...
Hypocritical for threatening executive orders, while actually enacting fewer of them since Cleveland? Maybe. I've found Obama to be hypocritical on a number of issues, such as drones, single-payer, and the NSA. But that misses my point.

Some of your cohorts have been using terms like dictator, "Obeyme," unconstitutional, and impeachable to describe the President. It is to them that I wholeheartedly direct my "whiny dishonest hypocrite" label. And if you subscribe to their beliefs, you deserve the label too.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Here...I'll spell it out for you: Obama made it a point to campaign against President Bush's Executive orders. Now he touts that he 'Has a Pen and a Phone'..."And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions" ...Do you not understand how hypocritical that is?
President Obama has been elected President twice, by landslides both times. As President, it his job to exercise the duties of his office, using the tools that we the people have provided him and his predecessors since the founding of our Republic.

Among those tools are a pen and a phone.*

One of the many reasons Americans elected President Obama was that he objected to the sorts of Executive Orders that President Bush signed. Orders that:

(1) Exempted the United States from the Geneva Convention's prohibitions against torture (link);

(2) Blocked life-saving stem-cell research (link);

(3) Gutted the Watergate-inspired Presidential Records Act (link); and

(4) Gave the vice president to classify documents as secret, hidden from public view (link).


President Obama didn't object to the concept of executive orders. He merely said he wouldn't sign ones that were contrary to American law or ideals as President Bush did. If you think President Obama pledged not to issue executive orders, well, that's on you two and whoever tried to teach you two to understand spoken English.**

*Okay, no phones before President Hayes, you got me there.

**"the Chiloooots and forkush's of the world"? Hmmm . . . .
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Here...I'll spell it out for you: Obama made it a point to campaign against President Bush's Executive orders. Now he touts that he 'Has a Pen and a Phone'..."And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions" ...Do you not understand how hypocritical that is?
President Obama has been elected President twice, by landslides both times. As President, it his job to exercise the duties of his office, using the tools that we the people have provided him and his predecessors since the founding of our Republic.

Among those tools are a pen and a phone.*

One of the many reasons Americans elected President Obama was that he objected to the sorts of Executive Orders that President Bush signed. Orders that:

(1) Exempted the United States from the Geneva Convention's prohibitions against torture (link);

(2) Blocked life-saving stem-cell research (link);

(3) Gutted the Watergate-inspired Presidential Records Act (link); and

(4) Gave the vice president to classify documents as secret, hidden from public view (link).


President Obama didn't object to the concept of executive orders. He merely said he wouldn't sign ones that were contrary to American law or ideals as President Bush did. If you think President Obama pledged not to issue executive orders, well, that's on you two and whoever tried to teach you two to understand spoken English.**

*Okay, no phones before President Hayes, you got me there.

**"the Chiloooots and forkush's of the world"? Hmmm . . . .


You of course understand that terrorists are NOT soldiers under the Geneva Conventions and therefore not covered under them?
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, here's all that any objective person needs to know to know. The IRS and Obama, those being accused of guilt, investigated itself. The results of said investigation did not disclose crashed computers, they did not disclose missing emails, they did not disclosed that WHILE THE IRS WAS INVESTIGATING THE IRS, THE IRS TOLD THE COMPANY HIRED TO KEEP EMAIL DATA TO DESTROY ALL


The FBI is not the IRS. Not only are you absent of facts you make up a few to boot.

Objective people are not so fundamentally dishonest. And objective people dont have different standards for different administrations. You do. You ignore facts surrounding the 2006 IRS probes...and you make up facts to support a baseless conspiracy in 2011. And you did the same thing with Bengazhi.


Baseless conspiracy? Tell that to the liberal Minneapolis Star Tribune whose editorial board is calling for a special prosecutor over the IRS scandal. Or, how about this bombshell of Lois Lerner warning IRS employees to be careful about what information they put in emails for fear investigating members of Congress might see it.

https://www.startribune.com/video/264926491.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/lois-lerner-irs-lawyer-email-108722.html?hp=f2
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

One of the many reasons Americans elected President Obama was that he objected to the sorts of Executive Orders that President Bush signed....

President Obama didn't object to the concept of executive orders. He merely said he wouldn't sign ones that were contrary to American law or ideals as President Bush did. If you think President Obama pledged not to issue executive orders, well, that's on you two and whoever tried to teach you two to understand spoken English.**




"The biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of the United States of America.”

That should be clear enough even for the most hardened partisan. Obama was objecting to George Bush usurping the power of congress to make law. You do understand what "not go through Congress at all' means, right? I find it laughable that you are able to draw a distinction between Bush's overreaches and Obama's. The only real difference is partisans who support Obama support Obama's power grabs and not Bush's and the reverse for Republicans. Oh and also Obama is now actually touting the use of his power...I don't' think Bush ever rubbed it in the face of Congress quite like that.

Now let's get down to 'What is YOUR major malfunction'. I pointed out that I believe that President Obama is hypocritical because Candidate Obama was against Executive orders that go around congress and now President Obama is loudly proclaiming that is exactly what he will do.

I base that on statements he made as candidate and as President. That is my opinion and I think the opinion of most reasonable people who listened to Candidate Obama and President Obama...If not a hypocrite, he's a flip-flopper. Nowhere did I say Obama should not use any executive orders.

Now, you proceed to claim that I "hate" Obama and that I don't understand 'spoken English'. For the record I don't hate anybody. I think Republicans and George Bush were just as Hypocritical as Obama on many issues and have made that clear on many occasion. Now, if you can't write a response that simply addresses your points without attacking me personally, I'll kindly ask you to stop being a hater and stay classy.
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